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by DDawg from Richardson

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OK, time to get serious. The title was just to get the attention of those for and against the homosexuals in our society. Being one of them I have some strong opinions about the people that are against, but in favor of trying to educate rather then anger those people I will try not to be too insulting. But in light of some rather heated discussion from another blogger I feel compelled to write my own on the subject.

  • Homosexuality is not a sin. That is to say, BEING a homosexual is not in and of itself sinful.
  • Homosexuality is not a choice. Whether one is born that way, or becomes that way via childhood trauma, or upbringing the fact is that it is quite simply not a choice to be a homosexual. There is no proof or bible passage that says otherwise. Being one myself, and having the experience of attempting to not be I have personal first hand knowledge that I did not choose it. Had I been given a choice it would not have been to be gay- I would much rather have gotten married and had a few kids, part of me still wants that but obviously not with a woman- no offense, just no attraction.
  • Suicide was a constant thought growing up because of the stigma, I got through that obviously without taking that way out- but over 50% of the teens that commit suicide do not find a way to deal, and because of the religious zealots that would rather see a young life snuffed out for being gay than to embrace him or her they continue to take their own lives. Too many kids are rejected by their own families, what a shame.
  • Whether or not the sexual act is a sin is up to the individual to decide. Whether or not you believe in the bible you have to allow each person to come to that conclusion on their own. God created us as individuals with our own wills so that we would choose Him. Taking that away and making everyone believe the same thing goes against the very nature of following ones heart to the truth of His glory and His son Jesus as our savior. If He wanted little obedient robots that is what we would be. Some Christian religions believe sex even within a marriage is sinful unless you are procreating- are they right?
  • Homosexuality is not a "lifestyle" as some put it. There are many homosexuals that live lives not unlike any of the heterosexual people on this blog, work, eat, pay bills, pay taxes, go to church, volunteer, have kids, get married (although they currently have to do that out of state).
  • Gay marriage is just marriage. Nothing really gay about it except it usually involves two men or two women. Its their right to do it if they want, and it does not cause any harm to hetero marriage in any way. Divorce does, cheating does, marrying some guy you met last night does, but gays getting married has no effect on marriage whatsoever. The people against it use religious reasons to justify their ignorance, but marriage has nothing to do with religion. If right wing conservatives really cared about marriage they would address the many causes of divorce that involve the "sin" they are so against, but they won't do that will they? Fact is there is NO SOUND REASON why gays and lesbians can't marry. It's pure bigotry. One Fox blogger is fond of making the comment that Democrats seek to take away rights, and she does it every time she has an opportunity to, but its Democrats who seek to give the rights to everyone and leave no one out. Of course I'm sure as soon as she reads this she will spout some pious religious reason for it, but like I said earlier there is NO SOUND REASON to deny this right.
  • Homosexuals are EVERYWHERE. We are in your churches, your schools, your malls, your police force, your military, your government. We aren't just hairdressers and interior designers, we are everything anyone else can be and more. And we're not going anywhere. Even if you believe it's wrong, you have no right to push your belief on me or anyone else that is gay. Chances are you have a family member or friend who is gay even if you don't know it. Just a hint if they are hidden- they are usually the ones that shout the loudest against it. Now turn and look at your co-workers and the people in your church and see if you don't see one of us there.
  • Everyone has the right to believe what they want. I certainly don't want anyone taking that right from me, so I won't try to take that from anyone else. Just keep in mind that when your day comes, you will have to answer for all you have done and it will have nothing to do with anyone else. Let people be who they are, give everyone the same rights and respect that you think you deserve.
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chardoney read my blog view my photos
Apr 17, 2008 | 7:13 AM

"Whether or not the sexual act is a sin is up to the individual to decide"

IF someone doesn't believe the Word of God as absolute truth, you'd be right. Otherwise, you'd have to admit that GOD decides.
Rom.1:26-27 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.”
Leviticus 18:22 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable (abomination.).
Leviticus 20:13 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable.."

Clearly & quite simply, God calls it sin. So anyone partaking in this lifestyle is committing continual sin just as if he were committing adultery or fornication... all choices.
2. yes, homosexuals are everywhere... sinners are EVERYWHERE (since we all are sinners). So are thieves & liars, but it's all irrelevant. God says it's still sin.
3. Most importantly, yes, we ALL can believe however we choose - but be ready for the consequence of rejecting Jesus Christ as Savior through grace and grace alone. For rejecting his Word which as being all truth. We have been given free will to believe!!! - or "come to our own understanding".

DMoriarty read my blog
Apr 17, 2008 | 8:08 AM

God does not clearly call it a sin. Which version of the bible are you using? Which translation? Please don't use Levitican code to justify this, do you eat shrimp, wear clothing of mixed fibers?? If you, then you are also breaking God's law according to Leviticus. As for Romans, when you look back at the original text, in Greek, Paul just as easily could have been referencing the practice of male prostitution in the temples and pedophilia (which, in the original Greek is the actual translation of the word Paul used, homosexuality is actually a pretty new term) That is just one possible translation, I could go on. Also, Paul also supports the opppresion of women and slavery...you justifying that as well, because it's God's word? And, I can't seem to get anyone to answer this for me, what did Jesus say about homosexuality?
Great blog Dawg, really!

chardoney read my blog view my photos
Apr 17, 2008 | 8:29 AM

You're referring to 'ritiual' laws given to the Jews to follow... Christians live under the age of grace and there's no need to follow many of the restricts. As for the 'eating laws', actually they're still accurate in that those are scavenger animals and not good to consume, although NOT forbidden.
Reject the truth if you chose... homosexuality activity is clearly stated to be sin.

NO, Paul did not "support suppressing slaves".. what is taught, is that we are to respect whatever 'lot in life' we're given. The slaves were not to rebel/hate/kill their owners. (slaves was the way repaying a debt for stealing, etc. since there were no jails. They were also given in wars). No where did he say slavery was good, although we are called to be slaves for Christ, correct?

What did Jesus say?? Are you a believer? Do you not KNOW that ALL the Word is inspired by God Himself? WHO do you think God is, if not Christ??!! Mercy!
He has spoken; it is finished.

DMoriarty read my blog
Apr 17, 2008 | 8:51 AM

Yet, you're still using the same set of Jewish laws to support your claim. Funny you should use the word Grace, when that is the furthest thing from what your are exhibiting. And, yes, I am a believer, and don't know why I even get into these discussions with people who have formed their own idea of the truth, and will not accept the historical contexts of the bible and the fact that it was written and then translated and edited, etc. So, I will never see that homosexuality is clearly stated to be a sin. We can spin our wheels here, but my interpretaton of God's word is obviously different from yours. I do respect your view though. God bless.

chardoney read my blog view my photos
Apr 17, 2008 | 9:00 AM

You must not accept the fact that WE live in another dispensation, which we do.
Grace.. we live under grace, His grace. Does that mean we can steal, rape, murder because of it? Sin is STILL SIN.

I don't usually continue 'these' conversations either with those who have made their own decisions not based on Biblical truth. My 'interpretation' comes from study of the original languages, involving the study of words as they were used/written. 'grace' given knowledge, available to all who truly desire it.

Obviously, you will not be able to accept that homosexuality is sin, since you're rejecting the truth, as it is clearly given by God Himself.

DDawg read my blog view my photos
Apr 17, 2008 | 9:05 AM

Thanks DMoriarty!

Char- "Clearly & quite simply, God calls it sin." - No He doesn't, the passage you quoted is not clear on that at all, not to mention there are dozens of interpretations that do not read the same.

"So anyone partaking in this lifestyle is committing continual sin just as if he were committing adultery or fornication... all choices."- Let me be clear about this, it is NOT A LIFESTYLE. Thought I made that point already, but guess it needed repeating.

DDawg read my blog view my photos
Apr 17, 2008 | 9:14 AM

"My 'interpretation' comes from study of the original languages, involving the study of words as they were used/written"

Interesting Char- you understand Greek? Roman? Hebrew? Very cool! I have a new found respect for you. Very few people even learn one language never mind the multiple languages the bible was originally written in.

What does this say? "Penso que você não é inteiramente sincero em sua afirmação que você estudou a bíblia em sua linguagem original"

Shouldn't be that difficult for you, having all that knowledge and all.

DMoriarty read my blog
Apr 17, 2008 | 9:36 AM

Dawg, funny, I was going to ask the same thing. Surely someone who has studied the original texts and translations could understand the multiple possible meanings of these passages.

scottythecomic read my blog view my photos
Apr 17, 2008 | 2:06 PM

The practice of homosexuality is clearly sin. That one can be forgiven for sin is obvious. That homosexuals will be punished anymore than adulterers, fornicators, drunks et al who are Christian is untrue. I do not support the sin, but I do support the sinner.

DDawg, there is a certain lifestyle among gays. Perhaps you don't ascribe to it - good for you. But at minimum you'd have to agree that there is a subculture among homosexuals.

scottythecomic read my blog view my photos
Apr 17, 2008 | 2:09 PM

I wonder that what you do not is entirely not sincere. She (Chard) says that you studied the Bible but not in the original language.

Close enough of a translation for you?

DDawg read my blog view my photos
Apr 17, 2008 | 2:44 PM

Well Scotty as much as we usually disagree, you actually get it. "The practice of homosexuality is clearly sin." Although I don't necessarily agree with that statement, you at least have seperated BEING a homosexual from PRACTICING homosexual sex, or at least thats what I think your saying. I do wish people would stop comparing it to adultery, fornication and drunkeness, but I'll at least concede the point that you are seperating the "sin" from the sinner.

And I do agree there is a kind of "subculture", but there almost has to be with the religious and social stigma attached to being gay. Many unfortunately give in to that. I have in the past, but have outgrown it.

And your translation is close enough, but I was hoping Char could answer that. So thanks for the spoiler LOL!

scottythecomic read my blog view my photos
Apr 17, 2008 | 3:12 PM

Ah, sorry for the spoiler.

There is a stigma asscribed to homosexuals and, if you were being fair, a lot of that is attributable to the boisterous gays. People remeber this more than the gay they do business with daily and whom furthermore gives no clue as to his or her sexual preferences or proclivities.

With regard to comparing it, I refer to the sin of practicing ones vice as it were. No one sin is greater than the other in God's eyes. He will determine greater or lesser rewards to the believers based on works, not sin. The same cannot be said of unbelievers, who's sins will be punished according to His standards.

chardoney read my blog view my photos
Apr 17, 2008 | 4:15 PM

Char could answer what??

I said, partaking in homosexual acts IS a sin, not just being one.
I agree scotty, God doesn't look at degrees of sinfulness, ppl do, although, He does call homosexual acts an "abomination".

Dawg, you lose 'points' for being a smartass. I didn't say I 'knew' ALL the languages personally, I said, I've studied in them (or that is what I was trying to express). Understand the difference..
I had a Doctor of Theology who taught from the original languages (Greek & Hebrew.) It makes a great deal of difference to be exposed to such in depth studies. Example: You have the opportunity to learn, that in the original, dead Greek language, there a 4 kinds of "if" 's ... and only one means "since". Therefore, when Satan is tempting Jesus, he said " IF (translated SINCE) you are the Son of God..." , NOT "IF (translated MAYBE/POSSIBLEY) you are....". That makes it most clear that he KNEW Him to be the Son of God.
You can continue to reject the truth as taught in the Bible (clearly, it's sin), but you are held accountable for being given the truth.

I won't both both to discuss this any further since it seems fruitless endeavor for both.

DDawg read my blog view my photos
Apr 17, 2008 | 4:37 PM

OK Char, sorry my sarcastic sense of humor went over your head, but I am not trying to get any points, or even knock you down a peg or two (although personally I think you could use a little humility in your life) just educate those that think they know the "truth". Fact is, your truth is not mine. We have different views of what is written in the bible and that is perfectly OK.

The only thing I reject is man's (or in your case woman's) interpretation of what the bible says. I believe that God is who He says He is in the bible, I believe He sent His son as the ultimate sacrifice so that ALL of His children may be forgiven and enter into the gates of Heaven, and I believe that Jesus taught us that above all we are to love one another, hold the 10 commandments sacred, and spread the good news of His salvation. And I guess that is where the similarities in our beliefs end, and that too is OK.

God Bless!

randythib read my blog view my photos
Apr 17, 2008 | 11:00 PM

what a cruel joke that would be for God to create me gay then say having sex is a sin. being born gay is NOT a sin and sex is healthy between two loving adults. my Bible says nothing to the contrary. it is ironic that the ones who call us promiscuous are the very same ones who won't allow us to marry. my partner and i have reciprocal living wills and reciprocal duralble medical powers of attorney so that the "holier than thou" cannot interfer with our wishes. God Bless.

scottythecomic read my blog view my photos
Apr 18, 2008 | 7:45 AM

Therein lies the rub, randy - men and women are not born gay. It would be a cruel joke.

DMoriarty read my blog
Apr 18, 2008 | 8:25 AM

Soctty, could you please show me where in the bible its states, as you say "clearly" that men and women are not born gay. Thank you. The good news is that we can all celebrate our common Savior, despite our differences in biblical interpretation.

texcitizen read my blog
Apr 18, 2008 | 8:38 AM

Like I mentioned in the other person's blog, we should also look at being homosexual from the scientific perspective. I know that God did not intend me to be gay, but because of some factors that we are still trying to learn and understand, I am.

I suggest that we not deny the other elements of life that influence, well, life. You see, our existence is very complex. If we really are to follow the bible strictly, then y'all should stop driving your cars, using your airconditioners, ride airplanes,eat processed food, because God does not want us to desecrate our planet, and with all our technology, we are just well doing that.

The other blogger was suggesting that gays want to marry. To me, that IS a sin. Why get into something that you know very well not work or you know will fail? What, have children? Then what? Drag them into more turmoil as it is? To me, that is being a sinner.

texcitizen read my blog
Apr 18, 2008 | 8:46 AM

OH, my last paragraph meant a gay man marrying a straight woman, or a lesbian marrying a straight man. That is a sin. Not one is doing the other a favor by doing that.

Your various intepretations of the bible is the very reason why there are so many preachers and denominations. Remember, in the last days, there will be many false prophets, proclaiming that they are the ones and they speak the "truth." Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Protestant, Catholic... so many!

I believe, that only GOD will have the real and TRUE interpretation of his message. We are man, and because of our own motives and needs, we will interpret the bible our own way.

This is why I really do not bother to argue anyone's point when it comes to the bible. Some will be arrogant, some will be ignorant, some will know, some will be clueless. Some will say "I know this" -- based on what? whom? when?

And it goes on and on...

scottythecomic read my blog view my photos
Apr 18, 2008 | 8:54 AM

Thank you, DMoriarty.

Logic would dictate that God, in His infinite wisdom, would not create a person "gay" (homosexual) and then condemn him or for it. That would be the antithesis of love, and God is love.

Moreover, The 'born to be gay' argument sets a dangerous premise. You are socialised into it and if you come with a 'born' argument you are basically saying, by reason of that, people are born criminals, drunks, child molestors, people are born smart, people are born suited for certain professions, etc. This is a very dangerous argument and denies the free will which we were given by God.

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