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S. 3930 passed just before Congress adjourned to campaign for re-election. They passed it to show they were tough on terrorism. But it effectively repeals the Bill of Rights. It permits the federal government to . . .
  • "Disappear" anyone (including American citizens)

  • Detain them indefinitely without recourse to legal defense

  • Torture them

  • Try them without due process

  • Punish them, also without due process
The entire law is bad, but Section 950j part (b) is the killer passage. It removes the right of detainees to challenge the legality of their detention. If you cannot challenge your detention in court, then you cannot use your U.S. citizenship as grounds to end your detention. Neither can you exercise any of your other Constitutional rights. U.S. citizens could be caught-up in this meat grinder, despite Congressional claims to the contrary.

Please be clear about what this all means . . .

You could be disappeared at anytime, detained and tortured, forever, and no one need ever know what became of you.

You were told this law would only apply to non-citizens. You were told a deal was being struck to make the bill less oppressive. Congress lied on both counts. The deal they struck actually made the law worse.

You were informed by the mainstream media that you could trust Senator McCain to protect you because he had once been tortured in Vietnam, but Senator McCain did not protect you. He betrayed you. He agreed to make this law worse, not better.

The final version of this law actually repeals the entire Bill of Rights for everyone; citizens and non-citizens alike. The only right you still retain is the protection against being forced to quarter troops in your home.

The true effect of this law is so bad that it seems unbelievable. Some, therefore, may respond with apathy. Politicians count on this. But can your children count on you to leave them the same rights you've enjoyed?

We agree with Richard Epstein, "Truth must count. Innocence must matter." We need due process to learn the truth, punish only the guilty, and protect the innocent.

What more needs be said (well, many relevant facts, true stories, and replies to objections to our campaign can be found on our Background page).

Some will embrace this law and some will oppose it. Which decision will you make? If you take the side of traditional American principles then please send a message to Congress now, demanding that they repeal this law. You can do so using this form.
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UCantHandleThisTruth read my blog
Sep 25, 2007 | 11:19 AM

It "seems" like a tough call.
But non -american citizens in this time of war are going to be subject to a higher standard of scrutiny.

You cant defeat homicide bombers with nice words.

As long those detained can have consul we are doing the best we can.

No consul, then I agree we would be going down the wrong path

DallasDave read my blog
Sep 25, 2007 | 11:50 AM

"You cant defeat homicide bombers with nice words."

Do you think suicide bombers can?

putonyourbigpants read my blog view my photos
Sep 25, 2007 | 12:59 PM

"If you take the side of traditional American principles "...HELLL NO...they dont want to play fair, and God knows they only know one way to play. Complain to congress? About what?

UCantHandleThisTruth read my blog
Sep 25, 2007 | 2:18 PM

If suicide bombers only killed themsleves in the name of their allah, we wouldnt have most of the problems associated with this issue.

But as long as they are willing to step on buses and fly planes into buildings I GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

So they create the situation where people in this country are under more scrunity.

No decent person likes that.
BUT DECENT PEOPLE know that you have to fight fire with fire.

This Iraq situation would be over if we had used our superior air powe right off the bat and bombed ALL KNOWN MILITARY targets in Iran/Iraq/Syria.

I am not the President, so the Prez sent in troops and overthrew a dicator who killed people.

Action was needed, action was taken.
Unfortunate but true.

UCantHandleThisTruth read my blog
Sep 25, 2007 | 2:20 PM

Look, we have the moral RIGHT to protect ourselves from physical attacks.

DallasDave read my blog
Sep 25, 2007 | 4:26 PM

This whole Iraq issue would be over if we never started it.

UCantHandleThisTruth read my blog
Sep 25, 2007 | 6:59 PM

DD

If you have a drug dealer living 5 doors down from you ( and I assume you dont want them there) but never did anything to you but was in fact dealing drugs, you ok with that?

No collaterral issues?

Well when other countries want our demise and all those that do business with us, and have military capabilites to hurt us or our friends, then it is our moral right to defend ourselves and if necessary our friends.

If not, then explain why you wouldnt want to stop a drug dealer who was doing nothing to yu pesonally but was 5 doors away.

Marks read my blog view my photos
Sep 25, 2007 | 8:37 PM

Dave, I understand where you are coming from, but to say we started it is forgetting 1990 (and 91, 92, 93, 94, etc...).

Is there something that infringes on US citizen rights? I glanced over it and could not find anything that put the Padilla's of this war in the same situation.

DallasDave read my blog
Sep 25, 2007 | 10:51 PM

Marks, You are the one forgetting history.

Go back to the 80s:

If we hadn't given Saddam the weapons, he wouldn't have used them on his own people or had the army to invade Kuwait after we told him it was OK with us if he did it.

Or go farther back:

If we had not put him in power, none of this would have happened.

As far as the effect on US citizens, start with the first bullet point.

DallasDave read my blog
Sep 25, 2007 | 11:06 PM

UCHTT,

not even close to a logical metaphor.

You are talking about some guy that lives across town without a car with no transit system or cab company that shouts obscenities when he sees you. In return you bulldoze his house.

Of course, you have a history with this guy because you give him cases of liquor every week and try to force him to go to AA meetings.

putonyourbigpants read my blog view my photos
Sep 25, 2007 | 11:47 PM

If ya dont like it dave, get out and dont come back. Mexico needs good people like you that dont like it here. Vya con dios Peeedro.

DallasDave read my blog
Sep 26, 2007 | 8:26 AM

If you don't like the Constitution, you are free to leave. Try your childish rhetoric on someone else.

Marks read my blog view my photos
Sep 26, 2007 | 9:58 PM

I do not know that you are even in the ballpark, but if you are (and assuming we who supplied Saddam figured him as "compliant"), it would not have mattered in the least once he decided to use his weapons against those he could not otherwise have kept in check. Indeed, I rely on the probable fact that Saddam created the mustard gas that killed his Kurds, but perhaps that is why I am always dealing in whey.
Not to be funny, but I feel strongly about history, regardless of curds and whey...

DallasDave read my blog
Sep 27, 2007 | 8:02 AM

Sorry, I don't get the curds & whey reference...Over my head, I guess...maybe, I'm not awake yet...

It is well known and widely reported that we supplied him with a lot of weapons, some biological (or at least the supplies and technology to develop) and those same weapons were used on his own people. Just like we trained and supplied UbL.

I don't remember the exact details, but I think it had to do with us jacking with Iran. We supplied Iraq against Iran.

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I am intelligent enough to know that politics are not 1 dimensional. I am neither right nor left, Republicrat nor Demlican (as if there's a difference), conservative nor modern "liberal". Most blogs posted under this persona are not my originals.

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