Demboy08's Blog

You make a good point on a subject I have dwelled on.
However I disagree on a few points, & would like to add some comments.
First, I am no more racist than any other person, regardless of color, but I think there are points to this that need to be realized due to political corectness.

White people brought black savages over here
early in our developement to work.
These people were generally ignorant, undomesticated beings that were happy to have a roof over their head, & food provided.
This accomodation worked pretty well, but there were atrocities committed on both sides.
As in any society, there were those blacks that were exremely happy, & those that were extremely unhappy!
When you look at it now, it appears to be much worse than it was then, since we are a free world.
As society developed, all the races through education, & slavery could no longer exist.

The white race NOW, has NO responsibility to anyone for the situation that existed 150 years ago.
Whites have made every effort to educate & bring equality into the system for all races.
Now that we have a REALLY good system, where there is equality, SOME of the black race wants not only equality, but the chance to run the show, to get their {piece of the pie}.
i.e.{In a government, business, household, the leaders usually benefit more than the subordinates, so they have it better
They also have the responsibility to keep the operation stable.}
I (for one) have been acceptable to let those who are capable run the show, & let me make my own way.
You have to have certain qualities to be successful,

Stupider???

where some reparations should be expected by the black community. Why? Well, let me give an example before answering that question. The Jewish community has received reparations in parts since the holocaust. There are news stories here and there regarding war criminals that are, even today, being brought to crime to answer for the atrocities they inflicted on the Jewish people.

Now, let’s look at the Black community. There are families who are filthy rich to this day due in large part, if not completely to the slave labor of Africans. There were deaths in the thousands and more, directly attributed to the slave trade. Just being brought here from African, many of the Africans died because of the beatings and poor treatment.

Again, I must say that I believe that we are individuals are responsible for our own lives and what we do presently. But as for why Black America is upset and has been for a long time? Well, I can understand that too.

(Not much difference in army or penal/ institutional form of life we have now?)
Having endured all of these, I can teatify as to the accuracy!
(I will admit there are no beatings in the army, but severe punishments--)
Most slaves WERE happy--BECAUSE they didn't KNOW any better! If they had a good owner--they considered it a paradise.
Only after time, where they became better educated, did they see that they could have the same life, & slavery was not going to exist!

Reparation?
Jesus christ--
I don't owe them ANYTHING-
I owe them the respect that they show they deserve--just as they do me!
The Jews deserve NOTHING!
The people who did what they did--were killed!
ONE susvivor--was recently tried or going to be-- after 40-50 years--& they found him!
Even their ancestors consider that regime a mistake!

THAT--is the MAIN problem!!!

There are wealthy white people & black people.
There are hardworking intelligent middleclass white & black people.
There are low class trashy, lazy white & black people.
Right now we have the white wealthy class draining us dry!
The lower class wants to get in power, & drain us dry!
The illegals are draining the country dry!
The upper/lower middle class who support this country are the ones getting ripped off!!!
The handicapped/senior citizens are getting a check!
IF--YOU work--have a job--you are the VICTIM-
If you have a business, or are in any of the other classes, you will be allright--you can probably finagle your way around with loopholes!
The middleclass is the backbone of this society, & when they quit working/ut

Torchbearer - Whereas I respect you as a person and your opinions as well...I just can't agree with your reasoning.

On the topic of savages: Well, I just can't back down from my view that just because one sect of civilization is more advanced that another, the latter at the point can be considered savages. Look at the pyramids, both Egyptian and Aztec. These marvels or structure and science were not created by savages.

As for slavery: You say slaves committed attrocious crimes. But you have to ask yourself...if you were taken from your home by force...straped into chains in the bottom of a boat like sardines and sold as property...would you not want to kill or do anything you could to regain your freedom? Isn't freedom what the American Revolution was about when we fought against British rule? And sharecropping is different from slavery in the respect that sharecropping is a system of agriculture or agricultural production in which a landowner allows a sharecropper to use the land in return for a of the crop produced on the land.

Slavery is a social-economic system under which certain persons — known as slaves — are deprived of personal freedom and compelled to work.

Slaves are held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase, or birth, and are deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to receive compensation (such as wages) in return for their labor. As such, slavery is one form of unfree labor.

In its narrowest sense, the word slave refers to people who are treated as the property of another person, household, company, cor

But one thing to remember here, Torchbearer...the American Indian and the African slaves, whose decendants are now Americans, were the most brutally treated and destroyed people in American history. Nobody has suffered more than those two sects of people have. And it is very difficult to have the decendants of those people forget what happened to their people. Another saying goes loosely like this: "Let us not forget history or we are doomed to repeat it."

Yeah I know I probably said that quote all wrong but you get the idea. The past can never be forgotten. And we can't be blamed for that. But...In remember the past...we can't not live in the past.

I will be the first to stand by your side and cry "foul" when wrong is done. But again...you have to understand why some things can never be forgotten.

(Con't)
(The African nation HAS been left alone, & the majority are still many running around the wilds chasing animals with spears--?)
After 200 YEARS--there has been SOME progress, but that was because of missionaries & other countries leading/showing the way to a (mostly) "savage, unrefined society"!
I basically define savage as "a barbaric, un-intelligent, person who basically lives for WHAT feels good, with little concern for their action on others"

As for the reparation--the majority of the blacks here during slavery were illiterate, uncouth, savages whose only commercial value was their physical ability.
For the period from slavery to MLK, the black race was basically ignored by the whites, & only the ones that had tremendous INITITIVE, succeeded to attain a decent place in society, & THAT with a tremendous burden in some cases!

In America in the '60's we had a white educated populace that was kicking as-, & a HUGE black populace that was far behind in intellect, education, ability, & refinement!
Due to the efforts of MLK & others, the white populace was FORCED to lower academic standards, & initiate COSTLY programs to bring this other populace into the mainstream.
This was slowly accomplished, & through interbreeding, tremendous efforts by many black individuals to be succesful, & government funding, we now have a society that has a parity!
There are still FAR to many PEOPLE (of ALL races) that let their animalistic tendencies govern their behavior, breeding far too many of this quality!

As for "forgetting"??
We have to forget the past--We CANNOT d

I am curious.
I do not disagree that the whites brought slaves over.
I do not disagree that slavery and discrimination is an abomination.
But one question..weren't the people with whom the white traders dealt black? Shouldn't you be seeking reparations from them as well?

As for reperations..I don't think the govt as a whole should have to pay anything. I think if you can trace your lineage back to a certain slave, and prove that your slave relative was owned by this particular white family, then maybe you should be able to get reparations from that family that way. But the burden of proof has to be somewhere.
Otherwise, being Irish, I could go to the Canadian government and say, "Okay, I'm Irish, ya'll enslaved countless Irishmen, so gimme some reparations."
Making people who have never owned slaves pay money to people who MIGHT be the descendants of slaves isn't practical or fair.
I know for a FACT that my family did NOT own slaves. On my mothers side, my grandfather immigrated here LEGALLY right before the depression. He met and married my grandmother while she was a torch singer in Germany and brought her family over here in 1943. (His best friend had died in Pearl Harbor, she was his BFs fiancee.)
My dads folks were about as cracker as you can get. They were white trash and Native American mix..much lower on the social scale than slaves.

Bloggers.
I hope you all keep blogging about this subject.
The readings are too interesting for me to comment except it's worth documenting because y'all have such good responses.
I can only refer it to a game of chess - Check mate and un-check.
Keep up the good work.
Your both great advocates.

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You know, foe, I always thought it very interesting how blacks & also how whites think in private.
I have some very good black friends who are like family, but there is "a little something there"--that shouldn't be--more lately (it seems) than it used to be?.
Since you are a very articulate black man, who I would be proud to be associated with, & believe I could trust you to be a politician, I solicited your views on these topics where we both become--MAYBE a little more understanding of each others views--lol!

Where a primitive (better than savage) people may decide to live a more primitive lifestyle either out of desire or neccessity--I SURE would not like to!
Intelligent people progress, dum-dums stay in the same mode!
I would hate to just go back to my days of window fans, & radio!
(GEEZ, that would be boring!)
When I see those starving kids in Africa, I wonder if (maybe?) they would not rather be here, than there?
I wonder if ANY black person here is not better off here, than running from a tiger in a loin cloth over there?

I had a IQ of 132 in my day, & enrolled at U of H where I struggled for YEARS to get a 4 year degree!
My children all have degrees & cannot write a intelligent paper!
They are turning out degreed people who struggle to write their name!
I feel confident that I am a hellofa LOT smarter than any of these people, & these degrees will allow them to run the business's of this country, be politicians, & be the one I need to tend to my business!
One thing about me, & probably you--I MADE my own way--
I never asked for a dime I didn't