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I have never thought that terrorism was a real threat. Sure terrorists can kill people and make others fearful but they really can do little in the larger scheme of things unless the country being terrorized decides to devote all its strength to fighting them. That seems to have been what has happened in this situation. Russia has attacked Georgia a sovereign nation without pursuing diplomacy or restraint. The U.S. by all intentions should have troops standing by their ally and trading partner but how can we? President Bush is a very small thinker and decided that the threats to America were a few dictatorships looking for atomic weapons. Russia has completely flattened Georgia's U.S. trained army and our army is not going to be able to intervene any time soon. Why? While our whole army is deployed and stretched thin fighting low level wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Even if we win these wars no one has any estimates as to how long. Meanwhile the Pax Americana has been broken. The U.S. can only say it "disapproves" of the Russian invasion. I completely agree with most of John McCain and George Bush's rhetoric in this but what is rhetoric going to do? They got us into Iraq and Afghanistan and now have put us into a position of having no way to deal with Russia. By concentrating on the most obvious, extreme threats our leaders have left us and the rest of the West exposed to the bigger more dangreous countries notably Russia and China. Masybe the U.S. can salvage something from this but I do not know how? I think the longer the U.S. has all its military in the middle east the worse this will get. Both China and Russia have a free hand with their vulnerable neightbors while we are busy fighting to endless wars.
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DfDeportation read my blog view my photos
Aug 15, 2008 | 10:03 AM

DemBoy,

sign up for the service and go over to Georgia and run them Ruskies out of there! Or are you following the rhetorical BS of The Dali Bama and the EU?

voodoodog read my blog view my photos
Aug 15, 2008 | 2:13 PM

Demmy,
You never thought terrorism was a real threat? Do they not have T.V. or newspapers in Wisconsin, or do you just not believe anything you read or hear unless it's coming from one of your liberal professors? Get out of that sissy college and into bootcamp, son!

craftyguy read my blog
Aug 15, 2008 | 4:43 PM

i see your inept in thugs international as well as domestic..and before you say anything about Bush during this mess your liberal coward Obama was calling for diplomatic talks ..if he was the president right now Russia would be back in Poland also..your one of the only people I know who gets less smarter by going to school..try joining the real world or because you don't have the guts to join the military try the peace corps..and practice what you preach

ibejim read my blog view my photos
Aug 15, 2008 | 6:17 PM

Demboy,

Nothing personal, but, where are you getting your info? Or, should i say, who is influencing you to pen blogs like this?

You have to look at the overall picture...

We are tied at the waist with China, and, Russia also, economically. Have they ever attacked us in any way? Ask your libby moron professor (I'm assuming. lol) what Russia has to gain by this, and,what exactly he thinks we should do?

"low level wars in Afghanistan and Iraq."
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Low level?....Are you serious!?!?

Please, tell me how you came by this info!(?)

Demboy08 read my blog view my photos
Aug 15, 2008 | 7:33 PM

First of all, I don't have any liberal professors.(I am not in college yet) if anything, I am the one teaching others. Second, I get my information from a wide variety of sources: liberal, conservative, international. Time magazine, the CS monitor, CNN, FOX, MSNBC, BBC, and Al Jazerra to name a few. I would call Iraq and Afghanistan low level because of the lack of pitched battles and the relatively low number of casualties for a five and 6 year long war. While good point we are tied to Russia and China economically and whiled they are not attacking us we can do nothing while they commit terrible human rights abuses and attack sovereign countries. If Russia wants to they could make gas 7 dollars a gallon. The reason they are the most dangerous is we cannot stand up to them without suffering terrible economic consequences.

ibejim read my blog view my photos
Aug 15, 2008 | 8:29 PM

"I would call Iraq and Afghanistan low level because of the lack of pitched battles and the relatively low number of casualties for a five and 6 year long war."

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So you agree, the troop Surge worked?

Realize that, even so, the main danger to the US lies in the middle east.

China and Russia have committed these type of atrocities for thousands of years, we aren't going to stop them now.

This one must be approached with caution, and common sense.

Should we go 'toe to toe' with Russia? Do You know what that could entail....WW3???

We can't afford to get into a 'big boy on the block' type confrontation with Russia right now.
Let the bear flex...

He knows who the man is.

The fact is , in spite of the ridiculous coverage in the main stream media, our military is now respected more and more worldwide. We have shown the 'stomach to fight', something we lost during the last administration.

Believe me, the bear is aware of that.

Demboy08 read my blog view my photos
Aug 16, 2008 | 2:23 AM

Worked in what respect? If by working you mean living in Iraq is more tolerable and violence is down then combined with a number of other factors the surge has helped stabilize Iraq. If by victory you mean allowed the U.S. to use its armed forces in another area of the world or withdraw them anytime soon from Iraq then no the surge did not work. This is not world war II or I victory is how we define it.

DfDeportation read my blog view my photos
Aug 16, 2008 | 11:48 AM

"the surge did not work"? Amazing....more kool-aid please...

Donspoliticalblog read my blog view my photos
Aug 16, 2008 | 7:47 PM

And we wonder what planet Pelosi and Reid came from. I think our demboy is a plant just to get everyone worked up. No one could be so wrong on so many subjects and still think he is teaching. Demboy you must be all of 16 or 17 as you are showing that you haven't lived long enough to remember the past events of the world. Either that or your really smoking something great.
Don

Demboy08 read my blog view my photos
Aug 16, 2008 | 10:44 PM

I said it did work depending on what working means. With the criteria I set out do you disagree? It lessened violence and U.S. casualties stabilizing Iraq but our troops are not leaving anytime soon still. That is the problem.

DfDeportation read my blog view my photos
Aug 17, 2008 | 2:12 AM

Changing the criteria....classic.

Jay_Kumar read my blog
Aug 17, 2008 | 3:14 AM

"...My thesis would be that the United States inadvertently allowed the chasing of hundreds of thousands of Sunni Arabs out of Baghdad (and many of them had to go all the way to Syria for refuge). Rates of violence declined once the ethnic cleansing was far advanced, just because there were fewer mixed neighborhoods.

Of course, Gen. David Petraeus took courageous and effective steps to try to stop bombings in markets and so forth. But I am skeptical that most of these techniques had macro effects. Big population movements because of militia ethnic cleansing are more likely to account for big changes in social statistics.

The way in which the escalation troops did help establish Awakening Councils is that when they got wise to the Shiite ethnic cleansing program; the United States began supporting these Sunni militias, thus forestalling further expulsions.

The Shiitization of Baghdad was thus a significant cause of falling casualty rates. But it is another war waiting to happen, when the Sunnis come back to find Shiite militiamen in their living rooms."

Jay_Kumar read my blog
Aug 17, 2008 | 3:16 AM

"...The Mahdi Army militia of Muqtada al-Sadr concluded a cease-fire with U.S. and Iraqi troops in September 2007. Since the United States had inadvertently enabled the transformation of Baghdad into a largely Shiite city, a prime aim of the Mahdi Army, they could afford to stand down. Moreover, they were being beaten militarily by the Badr Corps militia of the pro-Iranian Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq and by Iraqi security forces, in Karbala, Diwaniya and elsewhere. It was prudent for them to stand down. Their doing so much reduced civilian deaths.

Badr reassertion in Basra was also important, and ultimately received backing this spring from Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki. There were few coalition troops in Basra, mainly British, and most were moved out to the airport, so the troop escalation was obviously irrelevant to improvements in Basra. Now British Prime Minister Gordon Brown seems to be signaling that most British troops will come home in 2009."

Jay_Kumar read my blog
Aug 17, 2008 | 3:20 AM

"Most American commentators are so focused on the relative fall in casualties that they do not stop to consider how high the rates of violence remain. Kudos to Steve Chapman for telling it like it is.

I'd suggest some comparisons. The Sri Lankan civil war between Sinhalese and Tamils has killed an average of 233 persons a month since 1983 and is considered one of the world's major ongoing trouble spots. That is half the average monthly casualties in Iraq recently. In 2007, the conflict in Afghanistan killed an average of 550 persons a month. That is about the rate recently, according to official statistics, for Iraq. The death rate in 2006-2007 in Somalia was probably about 300 a month, or about half this year's average monthly rate in Iraq. Does anybody think Afghanistan or Somalia is calm? Thirty years of Northern Ireland troubles left about 3,000 dead, a toll still racked up in Iraq every five months on average."

- Juan Cole is a professor of history at the University of Michigan.

http://www.juancole.com/

DfDeportation read my blog view my photos
Aug 17, 2008 | 10:52 AM

Whorehay Booosh says, "Russia must respect georgia's territorial Integrity". Spoken like a true OPEN BORDERS ZEALOT hypocirte. Think southern border...ha ha ha

craftyguy read my blog
Aug 17, 2008 | 9:27 PM

tell university if Michigan Juan Cole...GO BUCKEYES

DfDeportation read my blog view my photos
Aug 17, 2008 | 11:17 PM

Nobody has a right to restrict Russians from moving around on their continent. ALL BORDERS ARE ILLEGAL!!! Russians are just seeking a bettter life for themselves and to feed their families...

ibejim read my blog view my photos
Aug 18, 2008 | 8:50 AM

Did you know??



* Did you know that 47 countries' have re-established their embassies in Iraq?


* Did you know that the Iraqi government currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?


* Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated, 364 schools are under rehabilitation, 263 new schools are now under construction; and 38 new schools have been completed in Iraq ?


* Did you know that Iraq's higher educational structure consist of 20 Universities, 46 Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers,all currently operating?


* Did you know that 25 Iraq students departed for the United States in January 2005 for the re-established Fulbright program?


* Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is operational? They have 5 - 100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels and a naval infantry regiment.


* Did you know that Iraq ' s Air Force consists of three operational squadrons, Which includes 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft (under Iraqi operational control) which operate day and night, and will soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 Bell Jet Rangers?


* Did you know that Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando Battalion?


* Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000 fully trained and equipped police officers?


* Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq that produce over 3500 new officers every 8 weeks?


* Did you know there are more than 1100 building projects going on in

ibejim read my blog view my photos
Aug 18, 2008 | 8:57 AM

Continues...
They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical facilities.

# Did you know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations?


# Did you know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid October?


# Did you know that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq and phone use has gone up 158%?


# Did you know that Iraq has an independent media that consists of 75 radio stations, 180 newspapers and 10 television stations?


# Did you knowthat the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004?


# Did you know that 2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had a
televised debate recently?

Source:/www.defenselink.mil

The fact is, the troop surge IS working.

ibejim read my blog view my photos
Aug 18, 2008 | 9:01 AM

"Worked in what respect? If by working you mean living in Iraq is more tolerable and violence is down then combined with a number of other factors the surge has helped stabilize Iraq."

Living in Iraq is much more tolerable and violence is way down. As far as moving our troops, you have to finish the job first.

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I am a Freshman at UW Madison. I believe in real solutions to real problems. I didn't see the Republicans offering any of them so I a gave the Democrats a chance to do something. I believe both parties are too polarized now to get things done so I think moderates are needed. I am a moderate liberal. I spent months deciding who to support in the presidential election but I finally have decided to vote for Senator Barrack Obama. I love studying world problems, playing tennis, playing video games and now blogging.

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