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I know this is long, but this article fascinated me.  I hope you enjoy it too.

~GG

Why Are Christians Losing America?
Sep 14th, 2007 A Discussion Outline with John Noe, Ph.D.

(This topical question was discussed in numerous small groups of Christians in Indianapolis, Indiana, in the summer of 2007.)

Two suppositions are contained in this discussion question:
1) America is being lost.
2) Christians are responsible.

Or are we since . . .
· “Four out of five Americans describe themselves as Christians?
· 45% of us attend worship services on any given weekend?
· The popularity of Mel Gibson’s The Passion of the Christ and Rick Warren’s book, The Purpose-Driven Life?
· America appears to be bursting its seams with vibrant Christianity.”

And yet . . .
“America’s popular culture, its laws, public education system, news media, entertainment industry, and other major institutions have become progressively un-Christian – even anti-Christian.”

The reason Christians are losing America is . . .
“Christians have been seduced . . . hoodwinked . . . sold a bill of goods . . . are operating under a misguided and simplistic interpretation of scripture . . . . Christianity – the deepest, most meaningful and awe-inspiring religion ever – has been dumbed down . . .”

Consequently . . .
· “only 9% of Christians have a biblical worldview.”
· “‘born-again’ Christian adults in the U.S. think and act virtually the same as non-believers . . . almost no difference.” (recent George Barna study cited)

Whistleblower’s answer to how we’ve been “dumbed down” and how “to turn America around – to take it back – ” is . . .
“Take back your churches . . . [as] the springboard to taking back the culture.” They call for laymen to lead a “new pulpit revolution . . . . Think about it. When was the last time you heard a sermon on:
· A great social issue of our time?
· The last time your church engaged in the political debate?
· How many churches are active in the cultural war?
· How many pastors are leading prayers for . . . our nation’s soul?”

Perhaps, Tony Evans best captured this dilemma thusly:

“Let me put the problem to you in the form of a question. How can we have all these churches on all these street corners, filled with all these members, led by all these preachers, elders, and deacons . . . and yet still have all this mess in America? Something is wrong somewhere!”
– Tony Evans, What a Way to Live! (Nashville, TN.: Word Publishing, 1997), 294.

June 2, 2004 – Fox News commentator, Bill O’Reilly, had this to say:

“The harsh truth is that many American Christians don’t care about what is happening . . . . Talking Points wants you to know that we are rapidly losing freedom in America. Judges are overruling the will of the people and fascist organizations like the ACLU are imposing their secular will. And, when was the last time you heard a priest, minister, or rabbi talk about this? For me, the answer is simple. . . . Never! And that’s a memo.”

What do you think?

3 Major ‘Dumbed-Down’ Areas

In this section we will discuss three major areas greatly dumbed-down (i.e., diluted, devalued, diminished) by many church leaders and which have dramatically and negatively conditioned Christians into inaction and against cultural involvement.


#1 – Gospel Reductionism –

Question: “What is the gospel?” For the majority of evangelicals the answer is, “the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.”

But this is not the gospel Jesus came into Galilee proclaiming, nor that of his central teaching.

Jesus did not come preaching Jesus, or his death so that when we die we could go to Heaven.

Jesus preached and taught the gospel of the kingdom (Mark 1:15).

· Dallas Willard terms this kingdom deficiency, "the great omission" in his recent book by this title and the primary reason "why . . . today's church [is] so weak" in his book, The Divine Conspiracy (San Francisco, CA.: HarperSanFrancisco, 1997), 40f.
· Darrell Guder calls it "reductionism of the gospel" in his book, The Continuing Conversion of the Church (Grand Rapids, MI.: Eerdmans, 2000), xiiif.
· Robert Lynn laments that “the gospel we proclaim has been shrunk” in his article “Far as the curse is found” in Chuck Colson’s Breakpoint Worldview magazine, Oct. ’06, 14.

My working definition of the greater and whole biblical gospel is:

The establishment of the everlasting and final form of God’s kingdom on earth and his salvation . . .
(And in this order, because that is how Jesus both proclaimed and accomplished these two distinct but interrelated realities. Also see: Acts 28:31; 19:8; 20:25)
. . . As well as, how we enter into each, receive its blessings, and become obedient to our responsibilities therein.

Problem is, most modern-day Christians are ignorant of or confused as to the timing, nature, and scope of the kingdom.

· We’re basically kingdom illiterate.
· Haven’t been raised in a kingdom-oriented tradition.
· Most Christian colleges and seminaries don’t teach it.
· They also lack an effective and sound theology of the kingdom.
· It is foreign territory and, therefore, frightening.

What do you think?

#2 – Fatalistic, False Views of the Future –

The current and dominant worldview in American evangelical-ism is that the world will, and is supposed to, get “worse and worse.”

Produces a “why fight, we’re on the next flight” mentality.

But how does this fatalistic view match up with Isaiah 9:6-7’s description of the future of the messianic kingdom? (It doesn’t.)

“This faulty religious teaching, says John Chalfant, is the only way to explain why so many well-meaning Christians are paralyzed into inaction.” (WB, 17):

“It comprises what is left today of the militant, power-filled, full-dimensional Christian faith of America’s Founders after decades of erosion, watering down and trivializing of God’s action mandates by America’s Abandonment Clergy.”

“Much of the clergy, along with their millions of victimized American Christians following their pastors’ lead, have retreated from the battlefront to the social, non-confrontational, non-controversial reservation [i.e., their church]. They say that Christians should confine their religious activities to politically non-controversial roles and keep their Bibles out of the political process. They also say that based on prophecy these are the ‘last days,’ and any efforts we make to restore righteousness to this nation will be in vain and need not even be undertaken.”
– John W. Chalfant, Abandonment Theology (Winter Park, FL.: America – A Call to Greatness, Inc., 1996, 1999), 5 and 117-118.

“For this type of ‘Christian,’ there’s no need to stand up to evil, because they’re ‘saved by grace, not works’ (despite repeated biblical admonitions that ‘faith without works is dead’). . . . No need to try to help make it a better world, because they’re going to be ‘raptured’ soon and those who remain behind can sort out the mess. Is it any wonder the church–and America–are in such trouble?” (WB, 27)

Why the Moral Majority failed after only twenty years.

Founder, Jerry Falwell, summarized the demise of this activist organization in this manner:

“I see things getting worse and worse and worse. All we’re doing—all we’ve ever been able to do—is to have the church put its thumb in the dike, but it’s inevitable that it’s going to come out. We are supposed to keep it plugged up as long as we can, be a restraining influence. We prevent spoilage . . . . But we’re kidding ourselves if we think there’s any program, any third party . . . or anything we can do to straighten things out right now . . . . these things that we have in the country are beyond repair.”
– From Cal Thomas, Ed Dobson, Blinded by Might (Grand Rapids, MI.: Zondervan, 1999), 276.

Perhaps, the Moral Majority did not have a sound or strong enough theological foundation that would support the level of activism to which it aspired (see 1 Cor. 14:8)?

What do you think?

#3 – Life in Heaven

Rarely, if ever, is the doctrine of eternal rewards, loss, and punishments for believers taught or preached. Therefore, “there are countless ‘Christians’ who believe they have a ticket to Heaven, and nothing else really matters.” (WB, 22)

Brian McLaren speaks frankly and directly to this area of dumbed-downedness:

“What could be more serious than standing in front of your Creator—the Creator of the universe—and finding out that you had wasted your life, squandered your inheritance, caused others pain and sorrow, worked against the good plans and desires of God? What could be more serious than that? To have to face the real, eternal, unavoidable, absolute, naked truth about yourself, what you’ve done, what you’ve become? . . . . Nothing could be more serious than that . . . . We cannot select out comfortable passages and ignore those that make us uneasy.”
– Brian D. McLaren, The Last Word and the Word after That (Jossey-Bass, San Francisco, CA.: 2005), 79, 80, 96.

What do you think?

So Here We Are . . .

“The compartmentalization and trivialization of Christianity . . . has ushered in a generation of shallow, ineffectual, and invisible Christians . . . . America’s churches have been subverted” (WB, 29)

Consequently, thousands of American evangelical churches are:

· presenting a kingdom-deficient gospel
· comfortable and content in marketing mediocrity
· laboring in lukewarmness
· culturally neutralized and impotent

In short, Christianity has been “tamed” and “culture has triumphed.” (Alan Wolfe, The Transformation of American Religion (New York: Free Press, 2003), inside flap, 3.)

As a result, Christians are not only losing America but we are also losing our kids in droves. And many Christians and churches don’t even want to talk about it.

Once again, the traditions of men have nullified the Word of God (Mark 7:13; Matt. 15:6).

What Can We Do?

1) Nothing . . . business as usual?

2) Brow beat – moral exhortation?

3) Call for more prayer – al a 2 Chron. 7:14? – But it takes more than prayer to meet God’s requirements for national blessing here!

Big problems call for big solutions.

Only one practical and effective way out of this cultural, moral, and spiritual morass.

4) Transformational Imagination – an educational and missional process of enticing, following the model of Jesus’ central teaching and the heart of his earthly ministry.


FIVE STEPS FOR RESTORING . . .
the preaching, teaching, and practice of the kingdom-of-God worldview (in its fullness) to the Church and to the world.

Step #1 – Unlearning popular misconceptions.

Step #2 – Grounding the kingdom theologically—the timing, nature, and scope of its everlasting form.

Step #3 – Applying the kingdom to today’s world—i.e., the transformation of both self and society.

Step #4 – Confirming why it is so important for every believer to be active and fully involved in advancing God’s kingdom, here and now, on this earth.

Step #5 – Prioritizing this calling as the Church’s TOP, No. #1 agenda, because . . .
· It was for Jesus (Mark 1:15; Matt. 6:33)
· It’s why the Church and Christians are here on this earth

But what do you think?

Editor’s Note: John Noe, Ph.D., is president of the Prophecy Reformation Institute. For more on his restoration and unification ministry and his speaking, teaching, and writing topics, please visit: www.prophecyrefi.org. For the amplified discussion outline of this topic, contract him at jnoe@prophecyrefi.org.
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RedRiver read my blog view my photos
Sep 16, 2007 | 4:11 PM

You are so right. The church has failed to proclaim the saving gospel of Jesus Christ. There are far too many preachers who want only to tickle the ears of those who listen. People need to be taught about sin, death, and hell. They need to hear that without the atoning blood of Christ, there is no hope for mankind. There is only one way to get into Heaven. We must accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, and by grace we will be saved through faith. There is no other way. People need to hear and understand that. Society needs to be re-taught the principles of godly living.
God said, if you are lukewarm, I will spew you out of my mouth. There are too many lukewarm churches, and not enough churches actively and passionately telling others about the love of Jesus, and the plan of salvation.
I am thankful we have conferences like The Way of The Master. We as Christians, need to be equipped to do the work of our Lord.
I have watched The Passion twice. I cried all the way through both times. The suffering our Lord endured was absolutely horrible. No human punishment has ever been so cruel and excruciatingly painful.
Very good post Grace. Thank you very much.

GratefulGrace read my blog view my photos
Sep 16, 2007 | 7:43 PM

I have never been to the Way of the Master conference but there website and the show on tv. Such an excellent resource.

The comment about how we are caving to the world really hit home for me. How often do I bite my tongue when there is an opportunity for me share Jesus with someone for fear of being ridiculed. He was nailed to a cross and I'm afraid of being scoffed???

leegrimsley read my blog view my photos
Sep 17, 2007 | 12:13 AM

Ah Grace

Read Revelations.

America was lost before the foundations of the world were ever formed.

No where in end time prophecy will you find America mentioned as a major player.

LambChopSushi read my blog view my photos
Sep 17, 2007 | 7:04 AM

Although, I believe God has been merciful to America, due to our friendship and love for ISRAEL, I do believe this nation has lost a lot of spiritual ground to the enemy.

We've allowed them to take down scriptures, shoot we can't even hang signs that say, "Jesus is LORD," w/out the ACLU and the wacked out libs marching and threatening to sue...

LambChopSushi read my blog view my photos
Sep 17, 2007 | 7:07 AM

As far as Revelations goes, many end time scholars believe we will either:

1) Be wiped out by the enemy

2) Cower to the demands of the enemy.

I'm going w/ 2. The liberal dems are pretty steady at crying out for "justice" any time a terrorist has his wittle feelings hurt.

RedRiver read my blog view my photos
Sep 17, 2007 | 7:33 AM

I can only hope that my kids are not here to see the fall of this country. I would not want them to endure that. The illegals are not a threat to us. The real threat is Islam. The tribulation could very well be at the time when Islam does take over America. The anti-Christ is believed to come from either Europe or the middle east. Who knows, Osama could be the one ! Where have you been LambChop ? Glad to see you.

Applewood read my blog view my photos
Sep 17, 2007 | 10:16 AM

Grace, as you know I do NOT espouse "Christians" trying to change the world by participating in it. I see absolutely no Biblical instruction to participate in the institutions of this world. We are instructed to mind those things that are of the Spirit and to war against powers, principalities, and rulers in high places.

Finally, if Christians really want to make a significant mark in the mess we call the world, then we should be known by our love for one another and by our fruit. Jesus and the Apostles attracted throngs because their lives reflected their message.

So long as churches conduct themselves as political and economic lightning rods instead as lighthouses for the lost, they will continue to wain in respectability and viability. Churchs do not seem to know what Jesus meant when He told his parents that he had to be about His Father's business. Consequently, neither do Christians.

Showdog read my blog view my photos
Sep 17, 2007 | 1:33 PM

Hi Grace. I agree that we as Christians have failed in witnessing to the world and this guy has some good thoughts on that. Don't know how much you know about prophecy or what kind of church you go to, but John Noe is a Preterist, which, in my opinion, has a totally false doctrine. Preterists do not believe in the Rapture and they believe that the Tribulation and everything that happens in the book of Revelation has already happened in the 7 years from 63 to 70 A.D. They believe that Nero was the anti-Christ and that the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. by Titus and the Roman army was the Tribulation. This doctrine has been debunked by about 99% of modern scholars. There are still several other theories out there about the End Times, but I believe in the Pre-trib, pre-millennium, dispensational viewpoint, which I think most Bible scholars of today teach. The Left Behind series teaches this viewpoint in a fictional setting. Just my opinion. From what I have seen as comments by Lee, LambChop, Chard, and Red . . . these folks seem to be right on.

GratefulGrace read my blog view my photos
Sep 17, 2007 | 3:12 PM

"then we should be known by our love for one another and by our fruit." Amen Apple.

Showdog, I did not know that about that doctrine. I don't believe in what I've just read about Preterists at all. I just thought these were excellent and true points he brought to this article.

Remember, I am a fairly new Christian (accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior the day the Sadaam statue was toppled in the spring of 03) and do not know the terms of these doctrines. I am in an intensive bible study every year and I view it as graduate school for my faith. I highly recommend BSF. There are day and evening classes all over the metroplex. You can find one by going to www.bsfinternational.org

I've read the entire Left Behind series. Well, except for the book that came out just recently.

Showdog read my blog view my photos
Sep 17, 2007 | 4:28 PM

Grace, you are like a light shining in the darkness. You are ahead of me in reading the Left Behind series. Tim LaHaye, the main author, is having a conference near here in Dec., which I plan on going to if I'm not working. I think the site is pre-trib.org. It is the Pre-Trib Research Center. Pre-trib means that the Rapture happens before the Tribulation. My favorite thing to study is Eschatology (doctrine of Last Things). I believe exactly like what's written in the Left Behind books. Although they are fiction they are written in true order. The Rapture is the next thing to happen which will take the "Church" (the real Christians) out of here. I believe the Anti-Christ (rider on white horse)will come very soon and then there will be a great war after that (Ez.38)(the red horse) and then the Tribulation period will come (7 yrs). This period is described in Revelation (chaps.4-18) in detail. Horrible things will happen on the earth but the Christians will not be here. It is God's punishment primarily on the unbelieving Jews. Several major events will take place at the end of that time, and then Christ will return to the earth (and bring us with him) to rule the earth for the Millennium (thousand yrs) before the final battle with Satan. There's a whole lot more to it just didn't want to write a book here.
Thanks for the ref to the bible class. I think that's the one my daughter used to attend, in Denton, but she doesn't go now.
Truly appreciate you Grace. Keep on blogging.

GratefulGrace read my blog view my photos
Sep 17, 2007 | 9:13 PM

Wow show, that's really cool that you enjoy studying that. Eschatology is my new word. You probably watch the same pastor my husband does, I cannot think of his name but he's gives messages from the Holy Land alot and he has glasses and maybe a moustache?? Can't think of his name.

The left behind books are really incredible. I thought the movie was kind of cheesy but I like seeing movies after I've read the book.

Another series of books I really like are by authors Bodie and Brock Thone. If you go to their site you can see an overview of the series I just finished. http://www.thoenebooks.com/
It's not end times, it's history. Probably some of the best books I've read in a while.

GratefulGrace read my blog view my photos
Sep 17, 2007 | 9:15 PM

Your daughter was probably in the same class that I'm in. Was it the Denton day or evening? How long ago was she in it?

Thanks for all the info on Eschatology! I wish I could think of that pastor's name.

I appreciate you too! Thanks for your kind words.

Showdog read my blog view my photos
Sep 17, 2007 | 10:07 PM

Grace, thanks for the website reference. I looked at the other one and the closest place to me for the BSF class is FBC Arlington which is 12 miles, not too bad. I think my daughter went to that class on Monday nights, not sure. It was at some church but don't remember the name of it. I think she quit some time last year as she is pretty active in her church. She is the church pianist and also the youth director and her husband (my son-in-law, but I tease him by calling him my daughter's husband, but I love him to death) teaches a class and sometimes fills in for the minister, and they have an 8 yr. old daughter. As both work full time jobs, they are quite busy.

There are a couple of preachers that I sometimes watch on TV. I like John Hagee but there are a couple of beliefs that he has that I am really not sure if I agree or not as I like to search out things for myself and I haven't had a chance to research them. His background is Assembly of God. Maybe you were thinking of Perry Stone. I like him, too. I usually learn something if I watch him. Of course, there is Stanley, Ed Young, Jack Graham, and others. I am usually gone on Sundays so don't get to see them very often. If you become more interested in Eschatology . . Tim LaHaye has a couple of very good books out that you might like. Anyway, got to go for now. Take care.
Good night, Gracie. (just had to say that).

GratefulGrace read my blog view my photos
Sep 17, 2007 | 10:23 PM

Yeah, that's it! It's Perry Stone. We used to go to Ed Young's church but we kind of "outgrew" it.

What church do you go to? And does your daughter go to church up here in Denton?

If that's too personal to post out here, I totally understand. My email address is gratefulgrace78@yahoo.com that would be cool to hear from you.

I've heard of tim LaHaye, I think we might have a book of his somewhere around here.

Hate to disappoint you, but I have no idea what that "Good night Gracie" is other than it's from a tv show from a long time ago. hehheh

Showdog read my blog view my photos
Sep 18, 2007 | 3:07 PM

I tried sending you an email this morning. Don't know if you got it as I forgot to check the box and my log is empty.

I sent a request to the BSF class in Arlington to ask if they have any openings.

My daughter said she took the class a couple of years ago at the Singing Hills church in Denton and she thinks it was on a Tues. or Thurs. night, not sure.

Tim LaHaye is the one who wrote the Left Behind series. He has a couple of books out on prophecy which I think are really good.

GratefulGrace read my blog view my photos
Sep 22, 2007 | 7:42 AM

Hey Show, did you get my reply.

Lost_Hwy read my blog
Sep 24, 2007 | 10:46 PM

Only the hypocrites that refer to themselves as Christians (such as you and Chardoney) will lose America. Oh, and I loved that idiotic remark you made on another post......."Lost has taken an itty sniplet of something Bush said and is attempting to make it an issue." Mentioning thet Bin Laden is "no longer important" is an "itty sniplet?" I thought I was seeing things for a minute! But you truly are an idiot!

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