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I have asked this question twice before, well, here we go again. For those of you who didn't catch it the first two times, the question was, "give me a reason that justifies giving a responsible adult 21yrs of age or older a criminal record for possession of cannabis, (marijuana). Because "It is against the LAW" is not acceptable, it is the LAW that is in question here. Please post one "reason" per post. For example= "Because it is ADDICTIVE". I will try very hard not to answer with a question, such as "How addictive is it"? I would answer that particular question thus,

http://www.procon.org/AddictChart.htm

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furbie read my blog view my photos
May 9, 2008 | 9:46 AM

Question :

Would we have anyone left to run for president - if they truely enforced this law ???

Ironman read my blog view my photos
May 9, 2008 | 11:58 AM

Thanks for the input furbie. Now I need someone who disagrees with me on the subject at hand to post a reason.

Ivyman68 read my blog
May 9, 2008 | 12:07 PM

From Marijuana Addiction.Info:

Marijuana addiction is a phenomenon experienced by more than 150,000 individuals each year who enter treatment for their proclaimed addiction to marijuana. Marijuana addiction is characterized as compulsive, often uncontrollable marijuana craving, seeking, and use, even when the individual knows that marijuana use is not in his best interest. Marijuana addiction could be defined as chronically making the firm decision not to use marijuana followed shortly by a relapse due to experiencing overwhelming compulsive urges to use marijuana despite the firm decision not to. This contradiction is characteristic of an addiction problem.

Symptoms of Marijuana Addiction:

Marijuana tolerance:
Either need for markedly increased amounts of marijuana to achieve intoxication, or markedly diminished effect with continued use of the same amount of marijuana.

Greater use of marijuana than intended:
Marijuana taken in larger amounts or over a longer period than was intended.
Unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control marijuana use.
A great deal of time spent in using marijuana.
Marijuana use causing a reduction in social, occupational or recreational activities.

Continued marijuana use despite knowing it will cause significant problems.

Marijuana is both emotionally and mentally addictive. Once an individual becomes addicted to marijuana it develops into part of who they believe themselves to be. Avoiding their friends who do not use, the addict will gravitate to others that do. Marijuana is a topic that is always on their mind, whe

Ivyman68 read my blog
May 9, 2008 | 12:17 PM

From Marijuana Addiction.Info:

Marijuana addiction is a phenomenon experienced by more than 150,000 individuals each year who enter treatment for their proclaimed addiction to marijuana. Marijuana addiction is characterized as compulsive, often uncontrollable marijuana craving, seeking, and use, even when the individual knows that marijuana use is not in his best interest. Marijuana addiction could be defined as chronically making the firm decision not to use marijuana followed shortly by a relapse due to experiencing overwhelming compulsive urges to use marijuana despite the firm decision not to. This contradiction is characteristic of an addiction problem.

Symptoms of Marijuana Addiction:

Marijuana tolerance:
Either need for markedly increased amounts of marijuana to achieve intoxication, or markedly diminished effect with continued use of the same amount of marijuana.

Greater use of marijuana than intended:
Marijuana taken in larger amounts or over a longer period than was intended.
Unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control marijuana use.
A great deal of time spent in using marijuana.
Marijuana use causing a reduction in social, otionally and mentally addictive. Once an individual becomes addicted to marijuana it develops into part of who they believe themselves to be. Avoiding their friends who do not use, the addict will gravitate to others that do. Marijuana is a topic that is always on their mind, whether it be thinking about the next time they will be able to get high or where their going to get their next sack. When someone is addicted to m

Ivyman68 read my blog
May 9, 2008 | 12:23 PM

From Marijuan Addiction.Info:

Marijuana addiction is a phenomenon experienced by more than 150,000 individuals each year who enter treatment for their proclaimed addiction to marijuana. Marijuana addiction is characterized as compulsive, often uncontrollable marijuana craving, seeking, and use, even when the individual knows that marijuana use is not in his best interest. Marijuana addiction could be defined as chronically making the firm decision not to use marijuana followed shortly by a relapse due to experiencing overwhelming compulsive urges to use marijuana despite the firm decision not to. This contradiction is characteristic of an addiction problem.

Symptoms of Marijuana Addiction:

Marijuana tolerance:
Either need for markedly increased amounts of marijuana to achieve intoxication, or markedly diminished effect with continued use of the same amount of marijuana.
Greater use of marijuana than intended:
Marijuana taken in larger amounts or over a longer period than was intended.
Unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control marijuana use.
A great deal of time spent in using marijuana
Marijuana use causing a reduction in social, occupational or recreational activities.

Ironman read my blog view my photos
May 9, 2008 | 12:55 PM

Is that so? I have consumed cannabis for 40 yrs. I have NEVER felt any CRAVINGS. No one I know has ever had a problem with withdrawl symptoms. They enter treatment becasue they are given a choice by the judge, go to treatment, or go to jail. What choice would you make?

Ironman read my blog view my photos
May 9, 2008 | 1:01 PM

So every one knows. I placed Marijuana Addiction.info in my search bar. What I got was a for profit addiction treatment company. Not surprised they said what they said. Seek the truth Ivyman, not advertisements.

Ivyman68 read my blog
May 9, 2008 | 1:33 PM

I suppose you also disagree with the information from the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

Ironman read my blog view my photos
May 9, 2008 | 1:56 PM

Cerainly, this is an organization which considers ANY drug use as abuse. As I said in my post, "Responsible Adults 21yrs of age or older". Not 12yr old children. 21 and older. I have 40yrs of experience with cannabis to call on. I also have 50yrs of experience with NICOTINE addiction to know what addiction truly is. Marijuana is no more addictive than caffien, should we put all coffee drinkers in jail?

Ironman read my blog view my photos
May 9, 2008 | 2:00 PM

As to the statement that the more you use cannabis, the more you need to get "high". BS, when I first started consuming cannabis I would smoke a "joint" to get high, now 2 or 3 tokes is enough.

Orphan
May 9, 2008 | 2:08 PM

Don't know if someone who has smoked something for FORTY years, is really in an position to say something isn't addicative.

Tell me this, WHY do you have to smoke it for 40 years (provided you are not in serious pain from an major illness)? The mere fact you need to smoke it for that long (to what relax, etc) indicates that YOU could be addicated. You know its illegal and yet you keep doing it, non-addicated people tend not to do that.

Ironman read my blog view my photos
May 9, 2008 | 2:25 PM

The way I know I am not "addicted" is that I have stopped quite a few times. Some because I didn't have any, some because I just felt like it. Orphan, do, or have you ever used tobacco? Did you become addicted to nicotine? If you have you KNOW how extremely difficult it is to stop, not quit, just stop for a while. The anxiety, depression, uncontrollable cravings, and the explosive rage that comes with the effort. I have never encountered anything anywhere near this when I stopped using cannabis. I am ADDICTED to nicotine, I KNOW the difference. I am NOT addicted to cannabis. I enjoy it. I like to sit down at the end of the day, and take 2 or 3 tokes on my vaporizer, and relax. Perhaps much the same as you may like to drink a couple of beers, and relax. I cannot drink alcohol, I do not know when to stop, and turn into a person I hate, a violent drunk. You have your way to relax, I have mine, should I get a criminal record for mine, if so why?

Ironman read my blog view my photos
May 9, 2008 | 2:35 PM

http://www.indiana.edu/~adic/effects.html
http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/Drug_Guide/Heroin
http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/drug_guide/Marijuana

If you are thinking of the debunked "Gateway" theory, check out these sites. Which drug most fits as a "Gateway"?

Ironman read my blog view my photos
May 9, 2008 | 2:39 PM

Why the URL in my first post is clickable, and these are not, I haven't a clue.

Ivyman68 read my blog
May 9, 2008 | 2:56 PM

I provided you with information from two organizations regarding the addictive nature of marijuana. As I expected, you denied the validity of the information without providing any information from an independent source to demonstrate that the information that I provided you was inaccurate.

You state: "No one I know has ever had a problem with withdrawl (sic) symptoms."

It can reasonably be inferred from this statement that many of your friends also smoke marijuana. If many of your friends smoke marijuana, that is one of the warning signs that you are addicted.

You are not going to accept any information from any source that conflicts with your desire to smoke marijuana.

You can continue to deny that you are addicted to marijuana, but the fact is you are addicted.

Orphan
May 9, 2008 | 2:57 PM

AH, you haven't ever stopped, you may have taken a break but not stopped. Addicts can take a break too, and then they go back to it.

You obviously have addictive tendencies (alcohol and nicotine), so why is it so hard for you to believe you could yet be addicted to a third substance?

As far as relaxing, I sit down and breathe or go play tennis...things that are healthy for me. I have no addictive tendencies, so from an unbiased outside view anyone who has done something for FORTY years, could definitely be viewed as an addiction. (P.S. there are different levels of addiction and they also have different symptoms depending on the type of addiction). So you can play symmantics and call a "break" stopping, but a "break" is just that a "break" so some people.

Ironman read my blog view my photos
May 9, 2008 | 2:58 PM

For the sake of argument lets say that cannabis is addictive. Lets say that I am a cannabis "junkie". What HARM has this addiction caused me? I have never been arrested because of my "addiction". In fact the only time in my life I was arrested was for DRUNK and disorderly, being loud and abusive, and fighting with other people,1968. So much for me EVER drinking alcohol again. I have never had an automobile accident because I was driving while stoned, responsible adult, I don't toke and drive, more than I can say for when I DRANK. I have never suffered an injury because I was stoned, more than I can say for when I was DRUNK. Aside from possession of cannabis I have not commited a single criminal act in 40yrs. Why does the local, state, and federal government want to give me a criminal record? I don't know. Do you?

ted-mania read my blog view my photos
May 9, 2008 | 3:01 PM

from a realistic standpoint....I smoked it every day for over 25 years.....will be three years sober on June 15 this year.....

There is not one single day that goes by...where I don't think about it....wish I had some...etc....weekends are the hardest....

No physical addiction for me....it's all in my head.....but it aint going away....and it probably never will.....I had to learn to live with this....and it wasn't easy....

by the way....you wanna talk addictions....I've beat a few....except good ol cigarettes...

Now those are addictive......I hate them....and I love them too........that's addiction for ya.....love and hate all rolled into one....

banned_sally read my blog
May 9, 2008 | 3:03 PM

"Don't know if someone who has smoked something for FORTY years, is really in an position to say something isn't addicative."

Agreed. And I find that hardcore stoners like this can only talk about ONE thing...getting stoned.

Orphan
May 9, 2008 | 3:04 PM

So me stats of how many people taking a few puffs at the end of the day IN THEIR HOME has produced so many arrests. Arrests tend to happen outside the home, not within the confines of it. So like you say you have done it for 40 years without ever being arrested, I doubt it is going to happen now...so you aren't getting a criminal record for it. Most people arrested are caught in public with the plant.

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63yrs young. Married. U.S.M.C. 1961 to 1965. Hard working, tax paying, responsible adult. Only been arrested one time, never been in jail. I am almost a perfect citizen. I obey all the laws of this great country. Except one, change the law make me perfect. Fire One Up.

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