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When I interviewed Dallas’s top traffic engineer about red light cameras, Elizabeth Ramirez assured me that the city’s program was popular with its residents. She says her office fields calls all the time from folks who are asking for red light cameras to be installed at an intersection near their part of town.

A couple of days ago, I interviewed State Senator John Carona on the same subject and asked him whether he thought Texans liked the idea of red light cameras. Carona chuckled and said there was no question how Texans, known for their independence, feel about having big-brother-like cameras watching them at intersections.

So what do you think about red light cameras? Are they there to make the roads safer as local politicians promise or to boost revenue as opponents fear?

I especially want to hear from those of you who have had a personal experience with the cameras, good or bad. Did you cheer upon seeing a camera flash as someone raced through a red light? Have you struggled to get your credit cleaned up after getting reported to a credit bureau for not paying a ticket?

Let me know your stories and how I can contact you.
We think this is an issue that’ll require a lot more investigation in the future.
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txdawn read my blog view my photos
Nov 12, 2007 | 10:17 PM

In the beginning I thought this was a great idea. I thought it would curtail red light runners thereby making the streets a little safer while freeing up our police officers for other issues. Sadly this doesn't appear to be the case. I still see people running the lights on almost a daily basis so the streets are not safer at all. Oh sure, the cameras are flashing, people are receiving their citations but what is happening to the extra revenue the city is receiving? Part of it was supposed to go to the Trauma units at hospitals, such as Parkland but according to Ron Anderson, CEO of Parkland, they haven't seen it as of yet. And now we hear talk of the yellow light timers being manipulated, ensuring even more red light runners, more tickets being issued and of course, more revenue.

I no longer think it's about Public
Safety but rather the almighty dollar. I still think it COULD be a good idea but there definitely needs to be more accountability.

putonyourbigpants read my blog view my photos
Nov 13, 2007 | 7:56 AM

who cares...if your doing what the law tells you to do, why would anyone care? If your not, you get popped for being stupid. Be accountable and go on about your day.

scottythecomic read my blog view my photos
Nov 13, 2007 | 10:41 AM

I received a citation in the mail and paid it months ago (see my blog archive).

That being said, I was alarmed that not only did "it" catch me, but recorded my speed (I was speeding though not cited) AND who knows what else the dang thing recored/can see?

I have mixed feelings. I broke the law and I paid as I deserve to.

But I don't like the idea of cameras ANYWHERE watching what we supposed free people do.

Pete_C read my blog view my photos
Nov 13, 2007 | 11:45 AM

I am glad to see you investigated it and found out that:
1. You get the same BS explanation from the city traffic manager which she emailed to me when I had Councilwoman Angela Hunt check into this.
2. You confirm what I felt when they first put up red light cameras; that the time on the camera monitored lights was noticeably shorter than the time on lights just one block away and that the time on all lights seems to have decreased in recent years.

I have not gotten a red light citation and consider myself a good driver. I used to drive a limousine and took defensive driving regularly not because I had to but to improve my awareness of the attitudes of other drivers.

I agree wholeheartedly with the conclusion of the Insurance Institute and TxDOT that increasing the length of time of the yellow light would significantly decrease the number of accidents and violations.

I also think that placing those count down to yellow timers which they have on commerce street at all camera monitored intersections would vastly increase the safety of these intersections.

I suggested this to Senator Corona when they were considering red light camera legislation; along with the suggestion that such dangerous intersections should have a mandated minimum yellow light duration which exceeds standards by at least one or two seconds. He obviously ignored my suggestion just as he forgot to include appropriation of the monies to Trauma centers in the legislation.

I once again praise Councilwoman Angela Hunt who did listen and managed to get one of the count down timers installed

Pete_C read my blog view my photos
Nov 13, 2007 | 11:48 AM

I once again praise Councilwoman Angela Hunt who did listen and managed to get one of the count down timers installed at the red light camera location at Beacon St and Lindsley Ave in East Dallas. This shows that she does indeed listen to her constituents and does take action to improve the safety and quality of living of her district.

TexanInfidel read my blog view my photos
Nov 13, 2007 | 12:31 PM

I think they are shorter! Sometimes I worry the dang thing will change when I'm half way through the intersection. But it is necessary. How many wrecks do you see when some idiot runs a light and smacks another driver?

texan2007 read my blog view my photos
Nov 13, 2007 | 12:37 PM

What about the front of the vehicle. Where is the stopping area at the intersectiom? What about making a right turn on red.( only there is a sign that states "no turn on red").

texan2007 read my blog view my photos
Nov 13, 2007 | 12:47 PM

Scotty:
I guess that you never been broadsided cause someone wanted to see if they could beat the red. I'm in favor. If you get a ticket in the mail for running a red light. It tells me and others like me that were victims to red light runners. Good I glad that there are cameras. I'm tire of people running stop signs and running red lights. Not staying focus on driving.

moankie82 read my blog
Nov 13, 2007 | 2:11 PM

The only people that would be against red light cameras are the ones that run red lights.

moankie82 read my blog
Nov 13, 2007 | 2:12 PM

I had a very good friend killed by a red light runner. They were a very good person and would have brought joy to many in their life.

texan2007 read my blog view my photos
Nov 13, 2007 | 2:23 PM

I hear ya moankie82. Since there is no cop there they seem to think they can get away with it. Now that there is a camera there. They no longer can. also it lets their insurance company know what kind of driver that are. In the mean time we others that drive in the metroplex has to pay for the ever rising prices of the cost of insurance, cause of their poor driving skills

moankie82 read my blog
Nov 13, 2007 | 2:44 PM

If I'am not mistaken, red light runners kill more people than any other drivers.

Noob
Nov 13, 2007 | 2:50 PM

the cameras that i seen had big signs in front tellin you that there was a camera there. you would have to be not so smart to run a light there. i still dont like them tho.

clanter
Nov 13, 2007 | 4:08 PM

If we were truly talking about Safety than Revenue then the issue would how do we improve the condition.

One thing that is done in some countries is a traffic light has a Flashing Caution prior to the Solid Caution then goes to Red.

The addition of a flashing caution forewarns the traffic that the light is preparing to change from Green to Caution.

Heavy trucks or people pulling trailers require greater stopping distances thus need additional warning. People would know as they approach an intersection that they would have the necessary time to clear the intersection.

UCantHandleThisTruth read my blog
Nov 13, 2007 | 6:28 PM

If this is REALLY ABOUT SAFETY then ELIMINATE TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND HAVE ALL MAJOR INTERSECTIONS MANNED BY 1 OFFICER DIRECTING TRAFFIC AND 1 WRITTING OUT CITATIONS.

fEW AS THERE WILL BE

COST EFFECTIVE??!!

YOU BET

AND VERY LITTLE TROUBLE OCCURS WHERE THERE IS ALREADY AN ARMED OFFICER

texan2007 read my blog view my photos
Nov 14, 2007 | 6:22 AM

There wwas this one guy tried to get aa case that he ran a red light and it was throw out. He ended up paying not only the fine, but plus he had to pay court cost too. The judge stated that the camera s were legal and so was justiflied.

moankie82 read my blog
Nov 14, 2007 | 7:22 AM

Talking about safety or revenue doesn't matter if they save someones family member form so much pain.

romofan read my blog view my photos
Nov 14, 2007 | 4:06 PM

I LOVE the red light cameras to death! I love laughing at those people who get flashed because it's not fair that just because those people were in a hurry and think they're above the law, they can run the lights. No, you're no better than anyone else, and if you break the law, you gonna have to pay.

As far as the comment made about the cameras in public places, I like them. You can catch drug deals on cameras and if someone gets killed on the street or robbed, it's caught too.

I personally say they can video tape me all they want out in public, and you won't catch me doing anything wrong. If anything, it would help me feel safer!

moankie82 read my blog
Nov 15, 2007 | 10:45 AM

It has been proven that just by people knowing they are there,they save lives. If every single intersection in town had one. People would be scared to death to run a light. Yes, some excellent drivers would sometimes get caught because of a judgement call. But it would still be worth it.

Pete_C read my blog view my photos
Nov 17, 2007 | 11:40 AM

I think my chief objection is two fold.
First they use a formula to determine the length of the yellow light which as far as I can tell does not include any consideration of the size of the intersection . IE you are expected to clear a six lane intersection with median in the same time as you would be expected to clear a two lane intersection with no median while traveling at the same speed. This is physically impossible and makes absolutely no sense. If they are going to use a formula they need to include some factor which adds extra time to the yellow for larger intersections so that you can safely clear the intersection if you enter on green and the light turns yellow. As others have pointed out there are several cases where if you start the left turn or enter the intersection from a stop because the guy in front of you turned right and the light is green but turns yellow just after you enter the intersection it is not yellow long enough to clear the intersection.
Secondly as the investigative report showed, despite assurances from the city traffic manager there are disparities in the length of yellow lights on identical intersections one block apart on the same street; with the one with a red light camera consistently being 1.5 to 2 seconds shorter.
If the true aim were to improve public safety and not just make money they would listen to TXDOT and The Insurance Institute (who are obviously interested in decreasing the number of accidents since they have to pay out for them) and lengthen the duration of yellow lights ; especially at an intersection which has su

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