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When Richland Hills lengthened a yellow light at a camera monitored intersection by just half-a-second, the number of red light running citations plummeted by 88%.  Was that a coincidence? 

 

The statistic makes me think about all the other cities in North Texas running red light camera programs.  City leaders universally say their programs are about safety.  If lengthening the light at one intersection by half a second prevented 88 % of red light violations, I wonder what lengthening the yellow at other monitored intersections in North Texas would do.  If safety truly is the objective, wouldn’t an immediate massive drop in violations be a good first step?  That appears to have happened in Richland Hills.

 

Of course, if the numbers of citations drop by a huge margin that means the amount of revenue generated by tickets would also drop by big margins.   That shouldn’t matter if safety is the goal.  But I’ll bet it matters.

 

What do you think?

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NORTHTX read my blog view my photos
Dec 18, 2007 | 5:59 PM

I think it will be a temperary drop. Once people realize the light is staying yellow longer they will push going through it to the limit, just like they do now.

chardoney read my blog view my photos
Dec 18, 2007 | 6:18 PM

Fact is, lengthening the lights to 1/2 MAKE it safer. The cams ARE about getting money. Plain and simple. But, then, government is always about taking someone's money,isn't it.

Bugs read my blog view my photos
Dec 18, 2007 | 6:40 PM

I’m not trying to be obstinate or argumentative, but have you or someone close to you accumulated a few of these red light camera tickets?

You seem to spend a lot of time on the subject.

Of course the number of red light violations is going to drop. People getting caught between a yellow light and a red light don’t get tickets, but when a driver follows that vehicle through the now red light, the second drive gets a ticket.

Sounds fair to me.

Extending the yellow light gives more time for people who would normally run the light to go through the intersection legally.

Making the yellow lights longer is enabling red right runners so they don’t have to stop at red lights like they are SUPPOSED TO DO BY LAW.

KellerKowboy read my blog view my photos
Dec 18, 2007 | 7:44 PM

I'm sure they'll ALWAYS run 'em....they always have and they always will. It's a sport in Texas. Drive twenty miles and you'll see at least three red-light runners - maybe more.

The ONE thing they should be is consistent in length....everywhere in the state. I've seen them at 3, 4, five and 6 seconds. No wonder that extra car takes the chance.

Bugs read my blog view my photos
Dec 18, 2007 | 7:54 PM

I agree Keller.

Running red lights is amazingly common around here. I guess people where I come from just respect the law and safety of others more than people down here are in some big whoop-to-do hurry.

…and I too wish the length of the yellow lights was a standard time. I’ve seen some petty short yellow lights.

KellerKowboy read my blog view my photos
Dec 18, 2007 | 7:59 PM

It's just a way of life here...I understand that and drive accordingly. I trust absolutely no one on the highways.

The speed bothers me more than the traffic lights. I've finally figured out that the posted speed "limit" is the LOWEST speed I'm supposed to go. There's no high end.

cowboyswife58 read my blog view my photos
Dec 18, 2007 | 8:15 PM

They should all be the same length of time no matter.Why is there such a difference from one corner to the next? I hate pulling up to a red light where there's a camera, I'm automatically praying that it doesn't turn yellow on me lol.I was in Frisco recently and holy smokes,they have camera's on just about evryone in that town(was glad to get out of there).Mind you, I have never ran a red light and actually have a perfect driving record(yay for me)but those cameras do make me uneasy.

maravi
Dec 19, 2007 | 1:04 AM

Well the Aggie study proves that longer yellow lights improve safety. That's all that should matter. At the very least, cities running red light cameras should be REQUIRED to adhere to TxDOT standard durations for yellow lights. There needs to be some oversight by the state because, without it, the cities tend to abuse the system. By the way, since this shortened yellow light business involves agreement between the city, the company and others, shouldn't it be considered organized crime if the purpose is to extract money from otherwise innocent people?

scottythecomic read my blog view my photos
Dec 19, 2007 | 8:32 AM

Money always matters to the cities. They could all extend it a full second and none would be the harm save for the city coffers. Bet you won't see that happening anytime soon!

luvmykid read my blog
Dec 19, 2007 | 8:59 AM

I think they are a terrible...well, sometimes.
My husband got a ticket in the mail. He was driving on a rainy day and broke at the yellow, but, the street was really slick and she skid across through the yellow light as it was turning red. They sent a picture of him crossing with the citation. You can clearly see that it is pouring rain and that his brake lights are on in all 3 pictures that the camera took as he skid across. No other cars around. We were able to "try" to fight it, but to no avail....we had to pay $100.00 to the city of Garland. So, be very careful as to when you think you are safe to cross and when not too. Especially if it is raining.

luvmykid read my blog
Dec 19, 2007 | 9:01 AM

LOL....sorry...just realized I called my husband a "she"...sorry Honey! lol

tiggere55
Dec 19, 2007 | 9:14 AM

What is the State Law about going thru an Amber light as opposed to Running a Red Light?

Is it not up to the State when it comes to the calibration of these lights? Can every town choose how to time these lights?
So, we as drivers just have to "guess" which lights are 3.6 seconds long and the others are 2 seconds long?...

scottythecomic read my blog view my photos
Dec 19, 2007 | 9:24 AM

Whatever the timing, I'd hope they were uniform. All we need now is to have to guess which lights are shorter than others.

furbie read my blog view my photos
Dec 19, 2007 | 10:11 AM

Why not have them all set at five seconds, then have both ways red for five seconds before letting the other traffic go ?

Of course, this would only curtail accidents, not generate money !

swhite1344 view my photos
Dec 19, 2007 | 11:36 AM

Paul Adrian,
Thank you for your time and effort put into this investigative report!

I glanced at the TV last night and recognized this intersection on the news. After tuning in I realized it was the intersection my vehicle was ticketed for in August of 2007 as well. I received TWO tickets – August 2nd and August 13th.

This past summer I loaned my vehicle to a family very dear to my husband and I. They were in need of a vehicle and I offered my vehicle to help their situation. The husband works and the wife stays home with their four children. He works for James Robinson Ministries which is located right down the road from the intersection in question. I received the first citation in the mail and realized it was my vehicle but I do not drive in that area and had to call my friend. He was humiliated that my vehicle was ticketed. He said the same thing Mr. Bullock said – the yellow light was real short. In less than a week I received the second citation. I thought it was a reminder to pay the first ticket until I logged onto the website to view and there were two citation numbers! Again, my friend was humiliated and embarrassed. He travels a completely different route now for work because of this light. I was going to protest the tickets after viewing the video online but chose to pay them instead because of the hassle.

If my citations were reviewed I’m sure you would see on the video, like Mr. Endsley and Mr. Bullock, that the light was 3 seconds and not the 3.5 or 3.6 seconds that Police Chief Barbara Childress contends.

Shame on the city of Richla

deb1
Dec 19, 2007 | 2:06 PM

I received a ticket at this light last summer and new something was wrong when I got it. I had my 2 year old son and 85 year old grandma in the car. I wouldn't have run the light. But what can you do? The letter that was sent to me said if I paid the $75.00 it would not be reported to my insurance. I just added this up and the city of NRH made almost half a mil during this time pd. What a scam. And they put lives in danger to make that money.

DixiesRich
Dec 20, 2007 | 3:18 PM

The point is you are PRESUMED guilty. When the cameras are abused, or make a mistake (one camera company had malfunctioning cameras tickets thousands they refused to refund), you are stuck and have to pay even though you DID NOTHING WRONG.

Garland, Texas also got nailed creating an "invisible stop line" three feet into the intersection that allowed them to get rich just like these crooks. These trash cameras have nothing to do with safety. I can't believe some posters on here say the system "sounds fair" when there are numerous instances of intentional camera manipulation as well as corruption and bribery charges associated with the trash cameras. You can bet they are padding the palms of State legislators to get favorable legislation in 09. My thanks to the reporter for this great investigative piece.

What I don’t understand is why people just assume the cameras make intersections safer. THEY DON’T! Ban the trash cameras!

DixiesRich
Dec 20, 2007 | 3:20 PM

Paul's story has been added here. If yo scroll halfway down to RED LIGHT CAMERAS IN THE NEWS, you will find hunddreds of stories about the TRASH CAMERAS!!

http://www.prattontexas.com/cameralaw-shell.htm

DixiesRich
Dec 20, 2007 | 3:22 PM

California: Red Light Camera Goes Wild

A red light camera in Capitola, California is generating $381 tickets for motorists who did nothing wrong. The out-of-control camera is located at 41st Avenue and Clares Street and was designed to ticket motorists headed to the Capitola Mall. Now between 50 and 60 percent of the tickets it generates are bogus.

"It's going nuts," Capitola Police Chief Richard Ehle told the Santa Cruz Sentinel newspaper.

In addition to other problems, the camera is generating tickets for shoppers making legal right turns on red and ticketing motorists who roll forward before the light turns green. Capitola police claim they are "catching" the tickets before they are mailed by ATS, the vendor in charge of the camera program.

Last year, the Santa Cruz Superior Court brought Capitola's review process into question. Police failed to notice that red light camera vendor ATS issueed $9525 worth of duplicate citations to be issued.

"With a new program there's a lot of trial and error," Capitola Police Chief Richard Ehle told the Sentinel at the time.

In the meantime, motorists are cutting through nearby parking lots to avoid the haywire ticket camera. Mall workers fear being forced to go to court to defend themselves against a bogus ticket. Police promise to drop charges against anyone wrongly cited.

DixiesRich
Dec 20, 2007 | 3:22 PM

by the way, ATS is better than REDFLEX

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