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So why doesn’t the legislature close the loophole that allows big companies to benefit from a tax break aimed at family farmers and ranchers? One reason is that a lot of farmers would oppose changes to the current law. Why? One farmer told me it’s kind of like the National Rifle Association opposing every kind of gun legislation.  A lot of farmers would see any tightening of the current law as a slippery slope that might one day lead to a complete loss of the tax break.

What do you think? Should the legislature tackle this tax break and try to rewrite the law so that big companies, investors and developers pay the full tax instead of pennies on the dollar?

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Captainron read my blog
Feb 19, 2008 | 3:40 PM

That might be true, but the real reason is that big agriculture doesn't want the loopholes closed, and they are the ones lining the pockets of the politicians.

KellerKowboy read my blog view my photos
Feb 19, 2008 | 6:34 PM

....and all those good ol' boys getin' paid for NOT growin' stuff have every politician in their back pocket!!

cowboyswife58 read my blog view my photos
Feb 19, 2008 | 7:05 PM

Well if they could re-do it to where it did'nt affect the farmers and ranchers that'd be great.

More-on
Feb 19, 2008 | 9:41 PM

I can't believe this socialist style report! Our government has demonstrated that more taxes (no matter who is paying them) will not solve our problems!

Wake up people(!) - lined pockets or not - if corporations pay more taxes - who will lose? The worker bee when they get a pink slip!

Why aren't you asking about the sky-rocketing property taxes overall?! Now that would be interesting to see where all that money goes!...

TexanInfidel read my blog view my photos
Feb 19, 2008 | 9:42 PM

Why should undeveloped land be taxed as if it were developed?!

Also, there was a man on the story who claimed that there were no working farms in Dallas county. I personally know of one. Sounds like bad reporting and looking for a story that just isn't there.

Tax the crap out of them when they build a house - that will teach them to live in Dallas county. But until then, they aren't profiting from the land.

Sorry Paul but if they aren't profiting, why punish them for owning and preserving natural Texas land?

dddaddd
Feb 19, 2008 | 9:51 PM

Why has this report continually called it an exemption? It is not. It is a deferment. As soon as a developer builds his first home on it he will have to pay the past 5 years taxes, even if he’s only owned it for 1 year. Why should he or any with a few cows on some acreage pay to send your kids to school?

I own 11.21 acres, and am only allowed to have the ag exemption on 8.89 acres. The remaining acreage gets lumped in with the home my family and I live in. Why should someone with a lot of acreage that has a few cows on it pay full taxes. If there is no home on it should get a break. The land appraised in the millions as stated in your report can only get that value when developed, but in its undeveloped state should be allowed a tax deferment, until such time as the buildings are present, and it is in fact no longer being used as ag land. Then the owner gets to pay 5 years in back taxes. Perfectly reasonable.

Your report was biased and incomplete. Very irresponsible.

urbandweller
Feb 19, 2008 | 10:07 PM

This article surely points out the fact that state legislators ought to revisit the definition of and reasons for an Agricultural Exemption. As new revenue sources may be contemplated by Legislators, the responsible lawmaker should evaluate the legitimacy and equity of this exemption. In the meantime the County Tax Appraisers office ought to just bill all property as though it does not qualify for an exemption unless the landowner can affirmatively prove that they do qualify. I'd like to know how much the $250 million (the amount that would be collected if not for the exemption) mentioned in Paul's report would lower the taxes of residential homeowners. In any case $250 million would probably pay for a few schools and an educated workforce is what keeps business in business.

dddaddd
Feb 19, 2008 | 10:16 PM

Ag exemptions are only givin to property owners that apply and qualify. If the county inspects the validity/legitimacy of an exemption and finds it does not qualify then the property owner must pay the previous 5 years taxes at full property value including penalties. A open lot with a few cows on it is not worth $250mil. It can only get that value based on it's developed prospect.

brazosbulldog
Feb 19, 2008 | 11:14 PM

While I am generally a fan of Fox 4, their "investigative reporters" (Adrian, Oliver and even Rose) often leave a lot to be desired when it comes to their reports. This "agricultural exemption" report is no different. Once again, the report comes across as one-sided and incomplete. Where's the interviews with legislators regarding their position on this tax "exemption"? Where's the notation in the report about property owners/developers having to pay full taxes going back 5 years once they do develop the land? (FYI - that 5 years' worth of tax payments is what kept me from buying and developing a property in Garland several years back.) Bottom line, until these reporters start including all sides of the issue in their reports, we as viewers must be very wary of the information being reported.

dlp123
Feb 19, 2008 | 11:42 PM

I have a home on 4 acres of land and can't claim the ag exemption. I'm taxed at full value of land. A neighbor less than 1/4 mile away with 29 acres and claiming ag exemption and larger, newer home pays less total taxes than me. It's not fair.

dddaddd
Feb 20, 2008 | 12:17 AM

You can't get the ag deferment on a building. If his home is worth more than yours he will pay more taxes. He will only be able to claim the ag on the land not immediatly surrounding his home, and only on the parts still being used in a manner approved for the ag.

justfortimd
Feb 20, 2008 | 1:45 AM

You want to see the american farmer wiped out overnight? Get rid of the AG Tax Exemption and a very large portion of this planet will start to starve VERY quickly.

I own 126 Acres of farm land where I raise hay. With the prices of Diesel, Fertilizer, etc being so high if i had to pay another 20K a year in taxes I would have to double my prices overnight. Now go buy a burger that costs 10 dollars because hay is $250 for a round bale. How about that milk that's already $5 per gallon. $10 sound good to everyone out there?

Large corporations will find a way to get aroudn paying taxes one way or the other. If they tighten up on this the poor dairy farmer or farmer raising cattle will be the one that can't afford 200k in legal expenses when they remove their AG exemption because his cow wasn't fat enough or whatever stupid reasons they come up with.

terrellmom read my blog view my photos
Feb 20, 2008 | 5:33 AM

if the land is not developed they should be taxed accordingly, if the land is used to legitimately grow something then let them use the farm tax. but if they grow one stalk of corn that is not a working farm! yes, close the loop hole.

chardoney read my blog view my photos
Feb 20, 2008 | 5:34 AM

They're using a legal system to pay less taxes... I don't have a problem with out, regardless of WHO is enjoying the tax break. The government reams way too many of us over and over on taxes... they, the government, should go back to learning to do with less and let the people keep their money.

terrellmom read my blog view my photos
Feb 20, 2008 | 5:46 AM

Thats' true char, that's why i believe the law needs to be changed. The big business in this case is ruining things for the small legit farmer. Just my opinion

TexanInfidel read my blog view my photos
Feb 20, 2008 | 6:46 AM

So terrellmmom - why does it matter if the land is owned by big business? Do you want to discourage them from owning land in Texas and continuing to develop new jobs (at which point we will tax them good!)?

Dangerous game targeting big business - let them flourish here so they can continue to fund our lifestyles.

terrellmom read my blog view my photos
Feb 20, 2008 | 7:40 AM

that's not what i'm saying texaninfidel. i'm saying if the land is owned by anyone/any company that for it to get the ag exemption it should really be a working farm. Not a bail of hay that sits for the whole year not feeding or being sold. The big business in the newscast had a few bails of hay, not being sold or anything, just had the hay so that they would qualify for the exemption...that to me is not a working farm. the people who bust their butts every day in the heat and cold working the land, bailing hay or running cattle..they deserve the exemption. Whether it is a single person or a huge company that owns it.

dddaddd
Feb 20, 2008 | 8:49 AM

If a corperation is not making money off the land why should they be taxed through the roof on it? If they can take advantage of a tax break why shouldn't they? Once they start making money off the land they have to pay all the back taxes anyways. It is not a working farm exemption, it is an agricultural exemption/DEFERMENT!!

TexanInfidel read my blog view my photos
Feb 20, 2008 | 8:51 AM

The news story had some holes in it. Plus someone had to sweat bailing the hay and taking care of the cattle. My point is why should they be taxed on empty land as if they had something valuable on it? I come from a family of farmers and I know what is like to work and sweat or freeze for your ag exemption. However, it is not about deserving anything - they aren't making any money on the land and as soon as they do they will be taxed to kingdom come if they live in Dallas County.

And, to reiterate from a previous comment: I personally know of a working farm in Dallas County even though whoever they interviewed said there wasn't one. Now I believe it is the ONLY one but they work and sweat and farm for their money and the city is building a road through their farm to reward them for their efforts. That to me was enough to discount the entire report.

dlp123
Feb 20, 2008 | 9:22 AM

So what does it take to get this ag exemption? Can anyone just get a cow or horse and put it on the land to graze? That's not a bad idea. In addition to getting a huge tax break, I wouldn't have to mow my yard anymore.

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