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One minute, please.
Aug 5, 2008 | 6:28 AM
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Now, am I understanding this lawsuit clearly?  The family is suing because of ONE MINUTE that is given to all students to do as they choose for their religion?

The student was asked to be quiet, not to pray.  So, where is the basis of the lawsuit?  She could have taken that minute and just there without disturbing the others.  But, if she was being loud or disruptive to others during their minute, then she deserved to be told to be quiet.

I am glad that they dropped the school district from the suit.  Let's see how the appeal goes.

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School District Cut from Moment of Silence Suit .  

DALLAS --  --  A school district has been dropped from a lawsuit challenging the daily moment of silence in Texas classrooms.

Shannon and David Croft's 2006 lawsuit initially named Gov. Rick Perry and the Carrollton-Farmers Branch Independent School District, where the couple's three children still go in the suburbs of Dallas. They sued after they said an elementary teacher told one of their children to keep quiet because the minute is a "time for prayer."

But the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Friday dropped the district from the lawsuit.

A 2003 law allows children to "reflect, pray, meditate or engage in any other silent activities" for one minute after the American and Texas pledges at the beginning of each school day.

In a brief filed Friday with the 5th Circuit, the state said the law is "clearly secular -- to promote patriotism, thoughtful contemplation and nondiscrimination." The state also said that allowing students to pray during the moment of silence protects religious freedom, which is a constitutional right.

W. Dean Cook, the Crofts' attorney, on Monday called the state's arguments a "smoke screen." He is appealing on the Crofts' behalf after a federal judge in January threw out a challenge to the state law as unconstitutional.

"No one knows how it would promote patriotism," Cook said. "It's just a way of trying to get prayer into public schools."

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mamatat read my blog view my photos
Aug 5, 2008 | 8:08 AM

The teacher should be at least reprimanded for asserting that it should be used for prayer.

But...if the family is so gung-ho, they probably knew the law is written in an "as you wish" way and does provide for just...silence. That would mean (yep) the were looking for her to screw up and say that.

I'd report a teacher for that junk too. (I can only hope it wasn't a civics teacher.)
mamatat read my blog view my photos
Aug 5, 2008 | 8:13 AM

Let me add this: I'd report the teacher for not knowing the rules by which she had to abide. I mean, what if that was just the beginning and she "forgot" some other laws, like "don't sleep with students"?
luvmykid read my blog
Aug 5, 2008 | 8:33 AM

I hardly believe that the issue at hand was that bad. People seem to make such a big deal about this lately.

The way I see it, if you want to pray, meditate, reflect or whatever, you do it during that time. It is YOUR time.

But, for the parents to take it to this extent of a lawsuit is way out of hand.

I think some of these people who are making us change all of our "rights" need to just back off. If you don't want to do it, then don't. But respect others and what they want to do if it is not bothering you or affecting your time of reflection, prayer, or meditation.
luvmykid read my blog
Aug 5, 2008 | 8:57 AM

When my son was in TaeKwanDo and my husband an instructor in the same school, they had a family that had 2 boys that enrolled.
Before class and after class, the students would bow to the Instructors and then turn and bow to the flag. These two students were not allowed to do this.
The class or the school, had no problem with it. But, some of the parents did.
The instructors in the class explained to the parents that part of the instructiont that they teach the kids/students, is to RESPECT others and their religious beliefs or anything else for that matter. Some parents chose to take their kids out. Well, that was their perogative..but, mine stayed. But, no one sued the school for it.

In this case, just because the teacher "misworded" something, does not show cause to try and sue the school district.
furbie read my blog view my photos
Aug 5, 2008 | 9:05 AM

Just what this country needs, more frivolous lawsuits - to tie up the courts.

These shade tree lawyers are trying their best to run God out of this country !
luvmykid read my blog
Aug 5, 2008 | 9:27 AM

Exactly furbie.

I don't care if you don't believe in what I believe in. But, don't try to change they way that I grew up along with my childrens's faiths and rights just because you have come into something new.

I remember growing up and saying the pledge of alligiance before class and all football games. Now, just saying it when I AM ALLOWED to puts a lump in my throat because I cherish being able to still put my hand over my heart and pledge to my flag, my country and MY GOD.

Please, if you don't like it, then just sit there and ignore it. It is your right to do so, but don't strip me of mine.
Mischief_Managed read my blog
Aug 5, 2008 | 9:38 AM

If the teacher said to be quiet, the kid should have sat there quietly.

The parents are troublemakers, so it's no surprise where the kid got it from.
furbie read my blog view my photos
Aug 5, 2008 | 9:50 AM

You're so right, Sally - it's stupid parents that create these problems.

Kids are usually content with things until the parents get involved.

The teacher should have worded it better, but we can't all be perfect ! LOL
scottythecomic read my blog view my photos
Aug 5, 2008 | 11:57 AM

I agree, Luv. It sounds as if these parents were after publicity more than anything.

Rather than attacking the minute of silence, why aren't they concerned with the years of curriculum mismanagement?
luvmykid read my blog
Aug 5, 2008 | 12:35 PM

My question is...Did the child tell on the teacher because she/he got in trouble?

Or, have these parents already told these elementary kids of theirs that they are not to pray in school or at all.
scottythecomic read my blog view my photos
Aug 5, 2008 | 2:19 PM

That's what it probably was.

The kid was reprimanded and went home to tell a "part of the story."

By the time it went to court the story had taken on the life of a script, replete with many revisions.

What a crock.
luvmykid read my blog
Aug 5, 2008 | 2:43 PM

"I don't have to" is what these children are gonna learn to say very quickly.
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